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A New Jersey-based company has also opened shopped recently, and as a developer, I was offered to submit my programs...
www.largetree.com
The site is a little buggy, but is promising.
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EJR
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| BeyondtheTech wrote: | A New Jersey-based company has also opened shopped recently, and as a developer, I was offered to submit my programs...
www.largetree.com
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What do you think? |
Well, do I understand it correctly that they give 60% to developers? I think it's nothing special. 80% to developers is much better. |
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zohaer21
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| 80% to developer is good but does it also mean lower prices for us buyers???? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| zohaer21 wrote: | | 80% to developer is good but does it also mean lower prices for us buyers???? |
no, the whole idea is that buyer pays the same amount but developer gets more |
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kieranEire
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So why don't developers set up their own sites selling their own software.
Think about the service Handago are really offering. They are offering a secure purchase system for online software. Building brands is time consuming and very expensive. They have a brand that customers trust and feel comfortable purchasing from. They have a huge software library for various platforms and provide a less biased news source than other sites cough cough.
Sure 50% sounds high though Handago are a company that has to make profit. Software on there site can be as low as 5 dollars. For all the services they provide 2 dollar 50 cent per sale is not bad. Even for more expensive titles say 30 dollars, 15 dollars per sale is not bad for the complete package of services and brand name Handago provides. Maybe you could name any other online web serive with the same reputation as Handago which will accept less 3 dollars a transaction for selling your product.
Its time windows mobile developers who wine about Handago to either put up there own service or shut up. The fact is there is not so much demand for most of the box product windows mobile software being produced and the real profits are in providing services to indrustry. |
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tehdarkstar
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I spend really a lot of money on Handago.com and I can say that I love their service. They are efficient, you can find anything you want there, it's easy to shop and you get your app quickly, if you need refunds (like I needed in a couple of occasions) they solve your problem very quickly and their tech support is a breeze.
I am a technical consultant but I come from a software development background, so, my feeling is: I believe I get a fair deal when shopping from Handago, so I couldn't bother less about which deals do they have with developers. As kieranEire says, if developers aren't happy, they can go somewhere else to sell their produtcs. |
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nforsans
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if there was another way to do it, i.e. to give developers more while offering the level of service handango has been doing for years with secure site and payment processing, another company would do it. That's what free market is about, isn't it?
The fact that the software market is almost a duopoly, and that the duopoly has not been contested for years probably means selling software from thousands of developers can't necessarily be done as efficiently if more money goes to developers. Otherwise, companies like Webis and other would start doing what handango does... But it does not happen for a reason. |
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The PocketTV Team
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:43 am Post subject: users and developers should support MobiHand! read why... |
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why ?
because MobiHand, unlike Handango and Motricity, pays 80% of the gross software price to the developers, when you purchase software from www.mobihand.com or from their affiliate http://fairdeal.modaco.com .
most other software vendors (Handango, Motricity/PocketGear/Smartphone.Net, and their affiliates) take a royalty of 40% or more, so they pay only 60% (or less) of the gross software price to the developers.
even though the price payed by the customer is the same regardless where they purchase the software (all those vendors force this contractually!), when they purchase on MobiHand, they support the developer more. MobiHand also accepts paypal, which is not yet the case with the other vendors, i think.
of course, developers should publish all their applications on MobiHand, which is a new player and the field (read http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35081 ). this is easy and fairely painless, and can be done after registering at www.mobireach.com (their developer's website).
at this stage, MobiHand has much less traffic than Handango and Motricity/PocketGear/Smartphone.Net, but with the support of sites like MoDaCo and of the developers community, we can expect that they will pickup steam fast. |
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The PocketTV Team
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| zohaer21 wrote: | | 80% to developer is good but does it also mean lower prices for us buyers???? |
no, unfortunately, that's because Handango and Motricity/PocketGear/Smartphone.Net have a clause in their contract that prevents developers from selling their software anywhere else for lesser price than the one listed on their site.
It means that as soon as you start selling with Handango or Motricity, you should have a single price everywhere else. I don't like this rule, but unfortunately the only way to not be bound by it would be to stop listing software on Handango and Motricity, and since those two bring most of the revenues (because of their quasi-monopoly in the mobile software vending business), we are stuck, and developers are in an weak position.
when Handango or Motricity want more from developers, they just get it, and they apparently can milk the cow (i.e. us developers) much more than we would like. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| The PocketTV Team wrote: |
Motricity/PocketGear/Smartphone.Net have a clause in their contract that prevents developers from selling their software anywhere else for lesser price than the one listed on their site.
It means that as soon as you start selling with Handango or Motricity, you should have a single price everywhere else. |
incredible! thank you very much for explaining it!
by the way: it would be nice if you could add activation of stereo audio streaming over Bluetooth in your PocketTV players - both for audio and video... - now it works only in Windows Media Player. |
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The PocketTV Team
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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> by the way: it would be nice if you could add activation of stereo audio streaming over Bluetooth in your PocketTV players - both for audio and video... - now it works only in Windows Media Player.
do you mean that each application needs to do something special to activate this?
it's not managed globally at the OS level (i.e. as part of the device Settings)?
this looks quite stupid, if that's the case.
do you have any pointer or information regarding how to do that? if it's simple to do (and documented somewhere), we'll do it, but i'm really surprised that it's not an OS feature, i.e. if you have bluetooth, and a Bluetooth headset, then i would hope that all audio apps, games, etc, would would with that automatically.
is that not the case? |
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EJR
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| The PocketTV Team wrote: |
do you mean that each application needs to do something special to activate this?
it's not managed globally at the OS level (i.e. as part of the device Settings)?
this looks quite stupid, if that's the case.
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yes! it's not managed globally.
some old implementations do it on OS level for all sounds but new / current implementations (see example here: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4679.html ) not! I.e. only opening a file in Windows Mediap player is starting the streaming. Somehow Windows Media player does it but how I don't know - maybe ask Microsoft and developer newsgroups? I dunno. The fact is that now to listen to high quality STEREO audio over Bluetooth - in new implementations - one needs Windows Media player - that is lame as you know. |
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The PocketTV Team
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sad news...
well, i'll ask on the newsgroup, hopefully someone from MSFT will give some pointers - and maybe explain why it's not managed globally.
i think it's just like the camera API a few years ago: they have not had time to implement it yet, but they will (manage it globally) some day. |
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The PocketTV Team
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i got the following info from Peter Foot (MSFT MVP):
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On WM5 there is an IOCTL which can be sent to the audio driver to divert
audio to the headset. Since A2DP isn't currently supported (Due in AKU2 in early 2006) you'll only get mono "phone" quality audio, so while you can play media player through a headset it's not that great.
You open a handle to "BAG0:" with CreateFile. Then send IOCTL_AG_OPEN_AUDIO (0x01) to switch all audio to the headset. To revert back send IOCTL_AG_CLOSE_AUDIO (0x02). AFAIK no applications do anything special to support this - when activated all system audio goes through the headset. I have yet to be able to try this with WM5 Smartphone but it appears to work on all WM5 Pocket PC devices.
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So it's not very good news: the audio is only mono and "phone" quality 
And it's strange the no applet has been done yet to do the switching of all the audio to Bluetooth. |
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