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HTC Wizard controversy : is it 802.11g compatible?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: HTC Wizard controversy : is it 802.11g compatible? Reply with quote

The problem is that some incarnations of HTC Wizard indeed have fast Wi-Fi (802.11g, speeds up to 54 megabit/second) activated, and some have only the regular Wi-Fi (802.11b, speeds up to 11 megabit/second). What is...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if itäs the same with the Qtek version.

Anyone?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queux wrote:
i wonder if itäs the same with the Qtek version.

Anyone?


Yes: it is unclear whether qtek 9100 supports 802.11g.

I am researching this issue - with all HTC Wizard incarnations - yet - so please stand by for more information...!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both Qtek.se and qtek.fi writes on their homepages that it is 802.11b on the device!!
But on pages like dustin.se that sells the product it says 802.11 b/g?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for access point compatibility, I don't think it matters which wi-fi version a PPC phone has. As it is, my 520mhz i730 only gets about 25% of the 802.11b max throughput with an "Excellent" signal because the processor and memory speed limitations won't allow faster. I'm not sure what 802.11g brings to the table for these little guys.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kupe wrote:
Except for access point compatibility, I don't think it matters which wi-fi version a PPC phone has. As it is, my 520mhz i730 only gets about 25% of the 802.11b max throughput with an "Excellent" signal because the processor and memory speed limitations won't allow faster. I'm not sure what 802.11g brings to the table for these little guys.


Well access point compatibility is exactly the issue. I have run my home network as 802.11g only for the past 2 years. Now I have a Vario and all of a sudden I have to configure my network for mixed mode access just because my Vario can't manage 802.11g. I don't care about the speed. I just care about the mode. Adding "b" devices into a "g" network slows down the whole network for the "g" users.

My friends with home networks also run in 802.11g mode only. Why would they even bother permitting "b"? The common technology for the last couple of years has been "g". Can you buy a laptop these days that does "b" but not "g"? You'd struggle to find one, I think.

Finally, suppose I'm out shopping and need to do a quick price check on a TV or something like that. Well perhaps I'd like to sniff out any unsecured networks and be able to connect for five minutes just to do a quick Google/Froogle. Having "g" capability might improve my chances of making a connection (in that theoretical example Wink ).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="tdodd"]
kupe wrote:
"g" capability might improve my chances of making a connection (in that theoretical example Wink ).


exactly! the fact is that several wi-fi networks these days are 802.11g only and thus totally not accessible with 802.11b notebooks and devices.

all those missed opportunities to leech on wi-fi networks of strangers! Sad

I hope that good people will find some hack how to activate 802.11g in your MDA Vario though! Cool (it must be there because it is the same hardware as i-mate K-JAM that has 802.11g...)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest wireless g is not that good for phones , ok its faster BUT the signal travels further on the wireless b . iam happier with wireless b one way to look at them both is like radio ( am = b and fm = g ) Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The O2 Europe version of Prodigy - Xda Mini S - definetly supports 54g. I have been beta testing one since June.

It also features Bluetooth version 2, something that appears to have been overlooked in other reviews (faster xfer speeds, better compatibility, less power draw)

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aste



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!

Just tested my Swedish qtek 9100 (imported by Brightpoint) and it does not support 802.11g. It found the g network but were unable to connect. When i switched back to mixed mode b/g it could connect again.

Except that, it's a fantastic gadget! I totally love it! :=)

\\ aste
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing is that I am posting this with my QTek 9100 on a g-only wifi connection. In fact I find my wifi connection more stable in g-only on this critter.

I wonder if this is an issue of the customizations or perhaps even a wep v. wpa issue (I still use wep)....

Chris
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: And what about the "HTC Universal" ??? Reply with quote

...aka Qtek 9000, i-mate JASJAR etc. ?

This should be the most advanced HTC device at the moment in terms of performance and overall versatility (e.g. UMTS).

Couldn't this at least be clarified by looking at the type of the chip used for WLAN ?

Of course any WLAN chip can be limited to work only in b-mode (either by registry entries or by other hardware limitations).

Anyway I wonder why a manufacturer should do this when otherwise a more advanced technology is easily possible.

Remains one last possibility as an explanation for these rather credible sights of (some) g-mode devices:

Sometimes an OEM is offered (or simply uses) chips which are pin and function capable but offer higher performance. This is often done when either the chip vendor can otherwise not fulfill his supply contract or the OEM - due to unexpectedly high demand - needs more chips than expected (as he is producing more devices than expected).

Both therefore resulting out of a temporary shortage of special chips on the market.

As the gap between the retail price for the whole device and the price for its production is pretty large the reduction of sales margin hence is only minor compared to halting the assembly lines and waiting for the originally designed chips to be available again.

Nevertheless I'd be keen to know the real reason why there are obviously "more sophisticated" devices of the same make out in the wild and if the others could also be "upgraded" by software tweaks !

Who is able to tell us ?

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Different question to the webmaster:
Your site is focussing on Windows Mobile. Why can't I send a posting to this forum using my Smartphone (Qtek 8300) ?
I can enter the forum, write the posting but pressing the "Submit" button doesn't do anything. Couldn't you fix that for those who'd like to post to this forum while away from their home ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: And what about the "HTC Universal" ??? Reply with quote

ghl wrote:

Different question to the webmaster:
Your site is focussing on Windows Mobile. Why can't I send a posting to this forum using my Smartphone (Qtek 8300) ?
I can enter the forum, write the posting but pressing the "Submit" button doesn't do anything. Couldn't you fix that for those who'd like to post to this forum while away from their home ?


good tip! Actually there is mobile version of this forum done and it should be placed online soon...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: And what about the "HTC Universal" ??? Reply with quote

ghl wrote:

Different question to the webmaster:
Your site is focussing on Windows Mobile. Why can't I send a posting to this forum using my Smartphone (Qtek 8300) ?
I can enter the forum, write the posting but pressing the "Submit" button doesn't do anything. Couldn't you fix that for those who'd like to post to this forum while away from their home ?


good tip! Actually there is mobile version of this forum done and it should be placed online soon... (after some testing yet - 2-3 weeks)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: And what about the "HTC Universal" ??? Reply with quote

Hurray, hurray !!! Smile

msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote:
ghl wrote:

Different question to the webmaster:
Your site is focussing on Windows Mobile. Why can't I send a posting to this forum using my Smartphone (Qtek 8300) ?
I can enter the forum, write the posting but pressing the "Submit" button doesn't do anything. Couldn't you fix that for those who'd like to post to this forum while away from their home ?


good tip! Actually there is mobile version of this forum done and it should be placed online soon...
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