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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: Discriminatory bribery continues: Microsoft Mobius conference starts tomorrow |
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Möbius 2005 USA - yearly invite-only conference organized by Microsoft - takes place tomorrow in Redmond, USA (Seattle area).
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/4640.html |
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kupe
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps, unlike this web site, the Mobius Conference has certain minimum standards of ethics and credibility they require of their invitees. As you so eloquently point out in your article, "Unfortunately we (i.e. msmobiles.com) have never been invited to Mobius conference ..." so you must be asking yourself why? You can either ask yourself that question objectively and make a real effort to attend or just continue down your current path of slinging commentary and innuendo like they don't matter in the real world.
The Microsoft event is a private one, meaning Microsoft can invite whomever they want and pay for whatever they want. If you think attendance influences individual objectivity, something you claim to cherish, then why would you even want to attend in the first place? 
As for web hits on this site, who cares? p-rn sites get more web hits than this site ever will - and they make fewer exaggerations and incorrect statements about the Windows Mobile community than this one does. Should they be invited to the conference too? 
Bottom line: Get over yourself. I suspect most people drop by this site to see the latest version of the train wreck you publish as much for entertainment value as for information. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| kupe wrote: |
If you think attendance influences individual objectivity, something you claim to cherish, then why would you even want to attend in the first place?
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yes, it influences objectivity but different kind of objectivity: inter-platform objectivity. The msmobiles.com cannot be influenced because already msmobiles.com is strongly pro-Microsoft. I wanted that Microsoft invites msmobiles.com so that readers could get better coverage of Windows Mobile. If msmobiles.com would be invited then not only many photos and articles would be published but also many hours of audio recordings in form of podcasts.
| kupe wrote: |
As for web hits on this site, who cares? p-rn sites get more web hits than this site ever will - and they make fewer exaggerations and incorrect statements about the Windows Mobile community than this one does. Should they be invited to the conference too?
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As I said it's not only about hits. The msmobiles.com is influential beyond sheer number of visitors - because corporations really care what is written here - and not only read it.
Incorrect statements? Like which were incorrect? Don't lie, please!
p-rn sites are not dedicated to mobility so they shouldn't. But msmobiles.com is one of few top websites in mobility and it should be invited. |
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kvee
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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As I said it's not only about hits. The msmobiles.com is influential beyond sheer number of visitors - because corporations really care what is written here - and not only read it.
They obviously do care because they issue solictors letters after reading what is written
Incorrect statements? Like which were incorrect? Don't lie, please!
Like you admitting in a previous post that spicing up stories is ok to do. Doesn't matter if the added spice is true or not
p-rn sites are not dedicated to mobility so they shouldn't. But msmobiles.com is one of few top websites in mobility and it should be invited.[/quote]
There is an awful lot of dedication to mobility on p-rn sites. I've seen many people using Motorola mobile phones in p-rn movies. One may have been an Mpx 200 if i'm not mistaken. |
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clublander
Joined: 21 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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no,
MSMobiles USED to be influencial and a big name.
Now your just known as a pathetic little troll who posts utter bollocks on a daily basis.
You want respect? Stop posting utter rubbish and opinion based articles as fact!
I'm neither pro or anti microsoft. I'm anti-moron. which means I dislike a hell of a lot of articles posted on msmobiles! |
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Suwat
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Now Microsoft get smarter. At least, they know msmobiles is their foo who pretends to say a friend of Windows Mobile.
In Thailand, we always hate the one who say this and did another like you...msmobiles |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dude.....does your medication block past memories? Unless I'm mistaken you were invited to a past Mobius'...and you made such an ass of yourself you were told to never return????
....oh, and I'm sure that when you were invited you refused any and all swag or travel expenses, right?  |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Paragon wrote: | Dude.....does your medication block past memories? Unless I'm mistaken you were invited to a past Mobius'...and you made such an ass of yourself you were told to never return????
....oh, and I'm sure that when you were invited you refused any and all swag or travel expenses, right? |
I was at Mobius conference and later in Mobius online group but I left because website on behalf of which I was there was closed. It is correct also that msmobiles.com was never invited to Mobius.
Made an ass of myself and told to never return? Incorrect: I left the Mobius group on my own - my own decision - because I considered that since that website was closed, then there is no merit. Maybe it was wrong decision but now msmobiles.com is both influential and popular so it should be invited to Mobius. |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | Paragon wrote: | Dude.....does your medication block past memories? Unless I'm mistaken you were invited to a past Mobius'...and you made such an ass of yourself you were told to never return????
....oh, and I'm sure that when you were invited you refused any and all swag or travel expenses, right? |
I was at Mobius conference and later in Mobius online group but I left because website on behalf of which I was there was closed. It is correct also that msmobiles.com was never invited to Mobius.
Made an ass of myself and told to never return? Incorrect: I left the Mobius group on my own - my own decision - because I considered that since that website was closed, then there is no merit. Maybe it was wrong decision but now msmobiles.com is both influential and popular so it should be invited to Mobius. |
So you were at a previous Mobius although you posted originally that you had never been invited.
.....and my question still stands unanswered.....you refused any and all swag and travel expenses on moral and ethical grounds that it would be wrong to take bribes? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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.....and my question still stands unanswered.....you refused any and all swag and travel expenses on moral and ethical grounds that it would be wrong to take bribes? |
No, I didn't refuse. However later I was offering myself to Microsoft that I will cover all costs, including hotel and traveling, and I will take no gifts from Microsoft - if only Microsoft will invite me. Microsoft rejected this proposition too. |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | Paragon wrote: |
.....and my question still stands unanswered.....you refused any and all swag and travel expenses on moral and ethical grounds that it would be wrong to take bribes? |
No, I didn't refuse. However later I was offering myself to Microsoft that I will cover all costs, including hotel and traveling, and I will take no gifts from Microsoft - if only Microsoft will invite me. Microsoft rejected this proposition too. |
Oh! Now I get it. The fact that they are offering "bribes" isn't the problem, it's the fact that they aren't offering them to you. Shame on you! Many, many, times on your site you have posted how terrible it is that MS would "bribe" people, and here you have accepted these "bribes" yourself in the past. You have absolutely no legs to stand on with this issue. How dare you put people down for accepting expenses and gifts for attending invitation only events such as Mobius when YOU have done so in the past.
The fact that you are willing to cover all costs to travel half way around the world to attend Mobius and they still won't invite you back, I think shows the fact that my previous statement that you were told you were not wanted back ever again was in fact true.
From this point on you have absolutely no right to challenge anyone who willing accepts such an invitation. Mobius, MVP Summits and any other similar events should now be off limits for your comments. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Paragon wrote: | | you have absolutely no right to challenge anyone who willing accepts such an invitation. Mobius, MVP Summits and any other similar events should now be off limits for your comments. |
ever heard of freedom of speech ? anybody can comment about anything, mate.
Please note also "UPDATE" part in the news item. It contains some corrections.
you know what, Paragon, I couldn't care less that Microsoft fails to recognize me - I will continue writing with passion about Windows Mobile phones either way. |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
you know what, Paragon, I couldn't care less that Microsoft fails to recognize me |
In that case I assume that means you are now going to stop trashing people they do recognize? After all if you don't care, what does it matter, right?
btw...I think Microsoft does recognize you...for what you are. Maybe a shift it tact will bring a more favorable response.
Dave |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Paragon wrote: |
In that case I assume that means you are now going to stop trashing people they do recognize? After all if you don't care, what does it matter, right?
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trashing is a too big word. Let's say 'reporting about'. I don't care what Microsoft does/thinks about myself but I care what Microsoft does about other people. Just imagine that there are other worthy people omitted by Microsoft and it is not only about me.
Besides: Microsoft is not just one person and there are people there who understand that current situation is screwed up and that also unmerited people are both in MVP and Mobius... |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Suwat wrote: | Now Microsoft get smarter. At least, they know msmobiles is their foo who pretends to say a friend of Windows Mobile.
In Thailand, we always hate the one who say this and did another like you...msmobiles |
Microsoft got smarter? That's a news for me!
Anyway, Suwat, I appreciate feedback from you but could you for once be specific and mention some exact examples where msmobiles.com "says this and does another"? Concrete examples! Not generalizations please! |
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