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Microsoft Origami = small Tablet PC with wheels and NO mobile phone

 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Microsoft Origami = small Tablet PC with wheels and NO mobile phone Reply with quote

It looks like we will have to revive our mobile mini PC section... because Microsoft gets serious about them at last! Poor Microsoft: some advertisements agency leaked photos (or rather video ad embedded in Flash pr...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is brilliant, I wouln't mind one, anyone know the cost of these things? I would be surprised if it's not in the £1000 area.

On the same section of that site watch the Microsoft bank of the future one and look at the really thin tablet PCs they are using. Very nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RICOUK wrote:
That is brilliant, I wouln't mind one, anyone know the cost of these things? I would be surprised if it's not in the £1000 area.


I have heard that it will cost around 1000-1550 USD so indeed 1000 pound area.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A grand? That's much more than laptop money - and that's where it will fail.

With no visible keyboard, it's not going to be used for any real quantity of work. Which makes it some kind of infotainment device. Except that with no built-in phone, we'd better hope that it has WiFi.

If its not got a phone then your immediate thirst for info is limited to when you can find a WiFi source. So, maybe it's more of an entertainment device. A grand for a device where the struggle is always on to get your entertainment on to it. Hmmm. You must get a memory stick to it to copy your pics onto it. Games won't be that compatible with it, I'll bet. You must find a way to get your DVD onto it. Any movies will have to be on a proprietary MS format memory disk (only a guess folks).

£180 for a PSP and the PSP looks a bargain.

If its not got a phone (yet) then you are lugging around something that's big and won't go in a pocket - then you might as well take a laptop around. A grand will probably get me a reasonably small laptop.

But we'll see. I'll sit on the fence on this.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbyb wrote:

With no visible keyboard, it's not going to be used for any real quantity of work. Which makes it some kind of infotainment device.


If you watch the advert, there is a folder case that has a built in keyboard which is pretty cool.

robbyb wrote:

Except that with no built-in phone, we'd better hope that it has WiFi.

If its not got a phone then your immediate thirst for info is limited to when you can find a WiFi source.


It has WiFi by the looks of the advert seeing as she takes it out into the garden to carry on work. She also changes song but that could be IR. Plus, if you have that then you will have WiFi in your home and by the time that is released WiFi hotspots will be everywhere, maybe even WiMax.

robbyb wrote:

Any movies will have to be on a proprietary MS format memory disk (only a guess folks).


You don't have to do that now with Windows OS so why should you have to do it on that?

robbyb wrote:
If its not got a phone (yet) then you are lugging around something that's big and won't go in a pocket - then you might as well take a laptop around. A grand will probably get me a reasonably small laptop.


That is true, also, unless you use a bluetooth headset, would you want to hold that to your face while talking on the phone? It may get a 3G connection like I read in the news where they want PC's to have a 3G connection.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbyb wrote:

£180 for a PSP and the PSP looks a bargain.


right but Sony PSP can't run Windows XP software
and this Microsoft Origami will be powered by Windows XP Embedded (so that it will run also without hard disk) and be able to run Windows XP software...

so indeed more than Sony PSP.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Cost Reply with quote

Actually, I belive that affordability is key to this project.

This is an attempt to extend the Microsoft user base and extend the situations in which a computer is used by the average joe.

Thats what was hinted to me.

Its a shame it doesn't have built in UMTS/GSM though. Lets just hope they haven't left out WLAN as well!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I am obviously stupid and out of it, could someone explain to me just how this device is a challenge to a PSP?

Not in that the PSP is the be-all and end-all, but because I don't see how this device competes with it.

Sort of like saying 'This new type of orange is *so* tasty, no one will drink wine ever again.'
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperMonkey wrote:
Since I am obviously stupid and out of it, could someone explain to me just how this device is a challenge to a PSP?
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both Sony PSP and Microsoft Origami are hard-disk-less
and both can be used to browse Internet, play games, listen to music and watch videos.

Sony PSP, the Nokia 770 tablet and upcoming Apple touchMac are small mobile devices that are smaller than notebooks but bigger than PDAs ... and that's why Origami will compete with Sony PSP too.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Points taken Ricouk, but even if it has WiFi you are bound to be somewhere else with your brick that doesn't have WiFi when you need to find out something. It would just break my heart to have spent £1000 and then have to pull out my mobile phone to browse the internet.

On the subject of Movies, I was only having a moan and being sensationalist. But MS are capable of getting organised to supply movies on a proprietary disk format... especially if they wanted to stay on the good side of the Film Companies (in being able to lock it all down to minimize piracy). There might not be a DVD drive on this machine.

A small laptop and still have a phone like the O2 XDA Mini S for less than a grand still sounds better if you want a combo that does everything.

If this device turns out to be aimed more at entertainment, then I'd rather get a PSP and an XDA Mini S for around £250. Save £750!

But I'm playing devil's advocate here.

It will all depend on the price of this device. If it comes in at around £500, then with that big screen, I might have to take a look at it again!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just seen MSMOBILES' link to the Microsoft Advert for this Origami thing. I don't think I'd get one at £300.

It's huge, and seems to be no better that an Etch-A-Sketch.

I can't see how it would really be useful to anyone. It's tethered to a docking station or wifi. Where-ever it goes, it needs a mobile phone to help it do anything useful!

Check the advert out - and then go buy a Universal Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:12 am    Post subject: Disappointing Reply with quote

This is just a small laptop with a touch-screen and integrated GPS. What a disappointment. Viral marketing should be reserved for truly ground-breaking devices. Otherwise, it's just a let-down in the end.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dualcor CPC (which is also smaller & with phone capability) pawn this Origami project to the pits.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, what good is XP without an HD? Memory is lacking in the flash area, and with no HD, you can't be serious about loading XP apps onto a device....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thelostsoul wrote:
To be honest, what good is XP without an HD? Memory is lacking in the flash area, and with no HD, you can't be serious about loading XP apps onto a device....


The trouble is that hard drives are constantly spinnng and use a lot of power, to make them truly portable you need a bit more then 2 or 3 hours of battery. Plus, if it is designed to be put in your bag, the hard drive will have to be pretty robust making it more expensive.
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