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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: Palm Treo 700w at Verizon Wireless plagued with many problems |
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Release of Windows Mobile Treo smartphone by Palm constituted pinnacle of Windows Mobile platform. After this achievement Microsoft employees at mobile division loosened up, relaxed and became comfortably oblivious ...
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kupe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Research is your friend.
I just watched the MobilityToday broadcast and in the time the reporter's 6700 finished three 200k tests, I got 4 600k tests with my Treo 700 of 483, 667, 611, 598 kbps. Must be a significant difference in the two services (Sprint, Verizon) at the site of the test. What did your Treo 700 get? 
Verizon offers 2000 free SMS messages per month with their unlimited data plan. ( http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=819843 ). The author at your link would be better served knowing this.
Don't know about MS's DRM - don't use it and never will until they make it work right. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| kupe wrote: |
Don't know about MS's DRM - don't use it and never will until they make it work right. |
well, some people prefer to pay 14 bucks a month and have unlimited number of songs, than 0.99 cents a song... so Microsoft DRM is sometimes interesting...
other than that: thank you very much for your valueable remarks. |
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tehdarkstar
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Release of Windows Mobile Treo smartphone by Palm constituted pinnacle of Windows Mobile platform. After this achievement Microsoft employees at mobile division loosened up, relaxed and became comfortably oblivious to the fact that globally Symbian still has over 80% of smartphone market share. |
What make you say that? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| tehdarkstar wrote: |
What make you say that? |
knowledge of feelings of Microsoft employees - how they feel about it |
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tehdarkstar
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The impression I have (and I have no knowledge of their feelings) is that they're putting stuff out in the same pace they were before the release of the Treo. They have put out already AKU 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 and 2.5 that I know about, have developed many developers guidance and there are many devices coming out to the market in Europe and Asia. That's why got surprised when you said that they are relaxend and neglecting other markets. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| tehdarkstar wrote: | | That's why got surprised when you said that they are relaxend and neglecting other markets. |
Obviously Microsoft folks can't be blamed for everything because they don't do hardware, however:
--- Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PC still is NOT 100% single-handed (some analysts say that 80%)
--- some operations like deleting email reqruire more keystrokes in Windows Mobile than in Palm OS
--- Office Mobile, MS Reader, and Terminal Services Client is not available for MS Smartphone
... etc., so clearly there is some work to do yet that is neglected. |
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Biohazardx
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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I am a Cingular customer - waiting for a 700w - and currently use an 8125. While I know the 700w ain't perfect - this really seemed like a huge headline with not a lot of substance. Big hat - no cattle...
With the exception of the too small memory (which it is) none of the other deficiencies you listed are unique to the 700 - but plague all the devices.
- DRM limitation is OS universal
- Exchange / SMS issue is OS universal and fixed w/ the Push ROM upgrade
- Sprint is the only carrier to currently have the push email ROM upgrade - no other US carrier has it yet. Since their window to compete against a Blackberry (and all the upset customers) is closing fast - you can bet it's coming.
I just think it is unfair to single out the Treo as being the smartphone that is "plagued with problems" - since they all suffer from the same problems.
ROM patches will fix most of it (except the RAM issue) and they are coming - they have to come since everyone else has the functionality - you lose push email when everyone else has it - and you lose the war without a shot being fired. |
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tapani
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: Yes, they really don't care about money or business... |
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| Quote: | | ... etc., so clearly there is some work to do yet that is neglected. |
Why would they neglect something? They simply don't have enough resources and from experience I know that things have to be priorized. You just cannot add more and more people to a project and hope it will be ready earlier.
Do you really think that Microsoft is not working very hard to combine Pocket PC and Smartphone versions and make the best mobile operating system ever? Do you think that Windows Vista is not out because people at Microsoft have not worked hard enought or that they just neglect it? Why do you think that Nokia does not reveal 100 new models today, which are way better than anything in this universe? You have to be really stupid if you don't understand why. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, they really don't care about money or business... |
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| tapani wrote: |
Why would they neglect something? They simply don't have enough resources and from experience I know that things have to be priorized. You just cannot add more and more people to a project and hope it will . |
then wrong prioritizing must be the answer although I agree that they may have too limited resources to do everything on time |
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tapani
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, they really don't care about money or business... |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
then wrong prioritizing must be the answer although I agree that they may have too limited resources to do everything on time |
So you know always better than Microsoft what is important in Windows Mobile and what is not? How arrogant. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, they really don't care about money or business... |
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| tapani wrote: |
So you know always better than Microsoft what is important in Windows Mobile and what is not? How arrogant. |
no, but Microsoft has in mind other things like their other business areas or big customers like operators but I have in mind mainly end users of Windows Mobile phones! Do you see the difference? |
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tehdarkstar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Obviously Microsoft folks can't be blamed for everything because they don't do hardware, however:
--- Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PC still is NOT 100% single-handed (some analysts say that 80%)
--- some operations like deleting email reqruire more keystrokes in Windows Mobile than in Palm OS
--- Office Mobile, MS Reader, and Terminal Services Client is not available for MS Smartphone
... etc., so clearly there is some work to do yet that is neglected. |
In every software development it takes time to get all the features in place and just by adding resources doesn't mean that you will get it done faster. I'm a professional developer and I know that some teams can't grow as the productivity will decrease by forcing more people to work on the same things.
I do think that single handed operation is still a work in progress on WM for Pocket PCs, but you have to admit that they have done an awful lot since WM 2K3 SE and it will just get better.
Also, I see you always complaining about the software missing on the smartphone platform, but I really doubt that a terminal services client would be useful in a small resolution, no touch-screen device. Imagine trying to manage your Win 2K3 Server from a standard (non-QVGA) smartphone? The same is quite true for Office. I have used the ClearVue suite and I wasn't satisfied with the results. The screen is just too small for these things to be really comfortable to use.
BTW, can I know who are these analysts that have measured the amount of single-handed coverage on the OS?
I just think that instead of neglecting, they are actually taking the tame it takes to get the work done.
| Quote: | | Why would they neglect something? They simply don't have enough resources and from experience I know that things have to be priorized. You just cannot add more and more people to a project and hope it will be ready earlier. |
Completely agree with that.
| Quote: | | then wrong prioritizing must be the answer although I agree that they may have too limited resources to do everything on time |
I think they are doing a pretty good job actually... Push e-mail, improvements on the Bluetooth stack, better support for mobile phone protocols (UMTS, EVDO, etc), better programming API, improvements to the Compact .NET Framework, persistent storage, and the list goes on... This is more than I would expect from any of the competition in a single release and seem more important than Office and Terminal Services on smartphones.
| Quote: | | no, but Microsoft has in mind other things like their other business areas or big customers like operators but I have in mind mainly end users of Windows Mobile phones! Do you see the difference? |
Microsoft is a huge corporation with well stablished markets in other areas. Virtually all their income comes from other areas on the corporation, with much more complex software, tougher competition and more demanding client bases. It means that they NEED to give priority to those areas if they want to continue strong as a company. Only when the mobile market will be big enough to represent a sizable part of their business it will get the same priority and it makes complete business sense. |
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