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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: Harvesting unprotected Wi-Fi networks for passwords and data with a Pocket PC - possible now |
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Back by popular demand! Yes, it is fully legal and since many people and corporations still fail to comprehend importance of wireless security (at least WPA needed, WEP too weak already), this tool opens new possibi...
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xiasma
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Yes, it is fully legal |
That's a brave stance - I trust you'll accept full responsibility and will compensate anyone convicted who follows your legal advice.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/25/uk_war_driver_fined/
No matter how you slice it, it's theft. You are permanently depriving the rightful owner (in this case, of bandwidth). With UK ISPs increasingly moving towards fair-use policies, download caps and bandwidth throttling, I'd like to see custodial sentences for anyone caught stealing internet connections. It's NOT a victimless crime. |
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The PocketTV Team
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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i think it's legal to listen to what other people transmit over the air (except when it is encrypted).
just like it is legal to listen to what people say in public places.
what may not be legal is using the information in question.
> No matter how you slice it, it's theft.
i don't think that just listening to non-encrypted transmission on a public network is theft. it is not like tapping someone's phone line.
of course, using someone-else's non-protected WiFi connection to access the web is technically theft, but it is also completely common and almost un-avoidable, e.g. many devices, when you turn them on, will look for a non-encrypted network and log to it automatically!
clearly there should be more awareness that wireless security is a big issue, especially for companies. |
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s3ntinel
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I'd try looking at the RIPA 2000. It is illegal to intercept transmissions unless you are the admin of the network or law enforcement. You also have the European convention on human rights to consider.
No legality here at all. |
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The PocketTV Team
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| s3ntinel wrote: | I'd try looking at the RIPA 2000. It is illegal to intercept transmissions unless you are the admin of the network or law enforcement. You also have the European convention on human rights to consider.
No legality here at all. |
From what I read, RIPA 2000 applies only in the UK and concerns only the interception of transmissions in a public telecommunication system (e.g. non-encrypted cellphone intercepts).
I don't see anything that says it applies to private non-encrypted communications, like two blokes talking on walky-talky or some guy using non-encrypted WiFi, but maybe i'm wrong.
I think the legality of radio intercepts depends very-much of the country, and in any case, it is virtually impossible to determine is someone is listening, as long as they don't broadcast. So the law is almost un-applicable, unless they catch someone red-handed.
It's rather strange that in the US anyone can purchase a radio-scanner (it's apparently legal to sell and buy them), while it would be illegal to turn it on and use it. |
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s3ntinel
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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What I said would only apply to the EU.
The US don't have the same desire to protect people from snooping. |
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kennyg
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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It is mostly illegal in the US as well.
Unfortunately we do try to protect the stupid from themselves at the cost of th taxpayer, if people are using un-encrypted protocols, it's their own stupidity thats the blame.
Kenny. |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kennyg wrote: | it's their own stupidity thats the blame.
Kenny. |
No, it's not supidity. It is ignorance. There is a very big difference. I can explain it to you if you need. 
Many people have no idea how to setup a protected network or know that they even need to. The problem comes from those who believe that if someone is "stupid" enough to leave a network open, that it is their right to steal from them. |
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kennyg
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Paragon wrote: | | kennyg wrote: | it's their own stupidity thats the blame.
Kenny. |
No, it's not supidity. It is ignorance. There is a very big difference. I can explain it to you if you need.
Many people have no idea how to setup a protected network or know that they even need to. The problem comes from those who believe that if someone is "stupid" enough to leave a network open, that it is their right to steal from them. |
I think we have very different opinions, no need for cute retorts.
I was speaking to the listening in, not the use of bandwidth, big difference. If you don't want anyone to listen to verbal communications, you secure your communication either by wispering or not speaking, you don't yell it out.
These items are common as screwdrivers and hammers, if you don't know the proper usage, and don't read the doc, ignorance equals stupidity. You attitude, unfortunately, is common, unwillingness to educate oneself is no excuse. |
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Paragon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| kennyg wrote: |
These items are common as screwdrivers and hammers, if you don't know the proper usage, and don't read the doc, ignorance equals stupidity. You attitude, unfortunately, is common, unwillingness to educate oneself is no excuse. |
I will simply repeat one sentence from my post above.... | Quote: | | "Many people have no idea how to setup a protected network or know that they even need to. " |
Additionally, whoever said that stupid people deserve to be taken advantage of? Perhaps stupid people deserve our help instead?! |
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estrsenol
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