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The rise and fall of Motorola Q
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: The rise and fall of Motorola Q Reply with quote

After period of initial enthusiasm, that Motorola Q is a fantastic innovative smartphone, now Moto Q smartphone is being bashed by press and by end users...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank god they are combining smartphone and pocket pc versions.

and everyone can thank verizon for advertising the treo 700w as a smartphone and then selling the motorola q as a smartphone...but never telling the average consumer that they have entirely different operating systems!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffreii wrote:

and everyone can thank verizon for advertising the treo 700w as a smartphone and then selling the motorola q as a smartphone...but never telling the average consumer that they have entirely different operating systems!


well, the term "smartphone" existed before Microsoft started to use it for touch-screen-less devices, and the first smartphone mobile phones were from Kyocera (in USA).

Well, even though next major of Windows Mobile (the one based on Windows CE 6.0) will be combining features of Pocket PC and MS Smartphone into one, the hardware manufacturers STILL will have choice not to use touch screen, so I wouldn't be so optimistic about it...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Your analysis as rediculous as ever Reply with quote

First, you call the Motorola StarTac a failure. In what way was the StarTac a failure? It was one of the most popular mobile phones of all time.

Second, until you have some solid sales numbers to back up the claims of the Q being a failure, I'll wait and see about that. It's currently Amazon.com's second best selling PDA/Smartphone ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/wireless/864136/ref=pd_ts_nav/002-0174684-1187264 ) even with the horrible Verizon plans. Only reason it's not their best selling is because the MDA is Free after rebate.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: StarTac Lover Reply with quote

When you say "other failed products of Motorola like StarTac phones" are you implying that Motorola StarTac phones were a failure? Excuse me? I have had a Motorola StarTac phone for almost 5 years now. The reception is wonderful - it usually beats out the new phones of my friends and family. The battery is not as good as it was 5 years ago, but it still lasts for a whole day with moderate usage. I have crushed, sat on, dropped, my StarTac more times than I can count - and there has been no damage to the antenna, the phone itself, not even a scratch.

The Motorola StarTac is the best phone ever made. I will be looking to Motorla for my next phone, if the StarTac ever dies.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: StarTac Lover Reply with quote

StarTac phones were failure outside of USA, for example in Europe, where Nokia achieved over 50% of market share and had beaten StarTac easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Your analysis as rediculous as ever Reply with quote

raulr wrote:

Second, until you have some solid sales numbers to back up the claims of the Q being a failure, I'll wait and see about that. It's currently Amazon.com's second best selling PDA/Smartphone ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/wireless/864136/ref=pd_ts_nav/002-0174684-1187264 ) even with the horrible Verizon plans. Only reason it's not their best selling is because the MDA is Free after rebate.


Amazon is not a measure of total market share or sales. Yes, Motorola Q is much cheaper than Treo, but the problem is that customer satisfaction with Motorola Q is low.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: StarTac Lover Reply with quote

[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]StarTac phones were failure outside of USA, for example in Europe, where Nokia achieved over 50% of market share and had beaten StarTac easily.[/quote]

Still one of the most popular cell phones ever made. Far from a failure.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Your analysis as rediculous as ever Reply with quote

[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]
Amazon is not a measure of total market share or sales. Yes, Motorola Q is much cheaper than Treo, but the problem is that customer satisfaction with Motorola Q is low.[/quote]


I know Amazon is not a measure of the total market, but it's the only popular retailer that publishes a best selling phone list. A few anecdotal quotes of unsatisfied users does not mean overall customer satisfaction is low. This phone has a much different target audience than the PDA power user, which is what most of the dissatisfied reviews I read are. They, for some reason, expect WM5 Pocket PC, though this phone is Smartphone version. A true power user would know to look at what version its running before bashing it for not having a touchscreen. The Q easily outperforms any other currently shipping MS Smartphone, even lacking wifi, as it's compensated by EVDO which you can take advantage of in a far greater area than WLAN.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Your analysis as rediculous as ever Reply with quote

msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote:

Amazon is not a measure of total market share or sales. Yes, Motorola Q is much cheaper than Treo, but the problem is that customer satisfaction with Motorola Q is low.



Nope, but it's better than the numbers you cited. Oh wait, you didn't cite any.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote:
well, the term "smartphone" existed before Microsoft started to use it for touch-screen-less devices, and the first smartphone mobile phones were from Kyocera (in USA).

Well, even though next major of Windows Mobile (the one based on Windows CE 6.0) will be combining features of Pocket PC and MS Smartphone into one, the hardware manufacturers STILL will have choice not to use touch screen, so I wouldn't be so optimistic about it...


regardless of the history of the word "smartphone," verizon constantly places ads about their phones that are rather deceptive. i always see ads in the wallstreet journal for the treo 700w and it's labelled a smartphone. how do you turn around and sell a motorola q now and expect any average customer to realize that there is actually a difference between smartphone and pocketpc versions of windows? they are both called windows mobile 5.0 so the consumer expects the same thing on their Q that's on their friend's treo 700w.

it's just dumb marketing - unless the idea is to fool consumers into buying an inferior operating system (smartphone)

and whether or not a phone has a touchscreen is a much better issue to deal with than whether or not it's windows mobile 5.0 a or windows mobile 5.0 b - at least you know everything is the same and the phone will be advertised as having a touchscreen whereas now that feature is exclusive to windows mobile 5.0 pocket pc edition phones (but most consumers have no clue that it's different from the smartphone edition in the Q or what it has to do with the treo 700w being a "smartphone")

get the point? if you don't, then you must be as confused as the average consumer.

-jeff
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Typically sloppy msmobiles review Reply with quote

The report mentions how Destination Q recently closed and that this is a sign of the failure of the Q.

Five minutes of research would have revealed that Destination Q was a "pop up" store, designed to be quickly set up to capitaize on the launch of the Q, then just as quickly dismantled. It was closed on schedule exactly as planned, and this in itself cannot be read into as an indication of the Q's success or failure.

This sloppiness seems to be increasing around here, as does the incidence of accusatory or dismissive language in the stories. Please, stick to reporting known facts, and leave the editorializing and speculation to the forums.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I've learned about msmobiles is that they completely don't care about the north american market nor cdma technology phones. I think they're probably just pissed that Moto didn't offer the Q in a GSM variant for the European market before the NA CDMA market. Not to say that the NA is the end-all be-all of all markets.

msmobiles is only good for their snippets of newly relased cool software. If you're living in the NA market, you should just completely ignore any hardware article.

The new HTC smartphone does look like it's going to kick the Q's ass though. And luckily for the staff at msmobiles, is being released in GSM first, with no CDMA version or NA launch anywhere in sight. That should make you guys hard.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearxor wrote:
they completely don't care about the north american market nor cdma technology phones.


absolutely wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote:
bearxor wrote:
they completely don't care about the north american market nor cdma technology phones.


absolutely wrong.

Then quit bashing the damn Q every chance that you get. Every article about the Q on this site consists of the point that 'It will fail because it is not being offered in UTMS outside of north america.'
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