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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: Mobius 2006 |
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Mobius 2006 invite-only conference, that is not only organized but paid by Microsoft will take place also this year. Through Mobius conference Microsoft is not only bribing mobility writers by paying for air f...
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Wow - you're really milking your tabloid pretensions aren't you?
Shame there's no actual evidence here to substantiate your libellous accusations. What you've essentially said is "there's this club that won't let me be a member, and they're all friends, and they get together and talk behind my back about stuff I want to know about, and because they won't let me join, I'm going to bitch about them".
So they have closed-door meetings - big deal. So they have an exclusive members-only website - big deal. So they send each other freebies - big deal. You've completely failed to explain why this is such a terrible thing for the world, and instead opted to throw around some unsubstantiated accusations. It's the same bitter bullsh!t that you throw around when it comes to assignment of new MVPs.
The funniest part is that the only person who really comes out of this article looking bad is you, for being a petulant, immature little kid who's p.ssed off that the other kids won't let him play with them.
Nice work. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | What you've essentially said is "there's this club that won't let me be a member, and they're all friends, and they get together and talk behind my back about stuff I want to know about, and because they won't let me join, I'm going to bitch about them".
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NO, NO, NO! I essentially said "Microsoft bribes people and pretends that it is community effort, but in reailty it is a clique established by Microsoft and paid by Microsoft. It is NOT a community.".
Why it is bad? Because it is bribery! and journalistic integrity and bribery are not compatible.
Thank you, thelondonthing, for commenting. |
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leonard
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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By this logic, the owner of MSMobiles (who deleted my original comment in its entirety) is not a member of any community because he locks his house and only invited people can enter his house and then, if they do enter, he 'bribes' them with food and drink.
Also, by this logic, MSMobiles is not part of the Windows Community because only a select few are allowed access to the Front Page. If you are not members of that MSMobiles clique, you will not be able to say anything on the front page and that is proof that it is not a part of the Windows Mobile community.
And if he deletes this comment, I'll e-mail it to someone who won't. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| leonard wrote: | only a select few are allowed access to the Front Page. If you are not members of that MSMobiles clique, you will not be able to say anything on the front page and that is proof that it is not a part of the Windows Mobile community.
And if he deletes this comment, I'll e-mail it to someone who won't. |
ability to comment/say something is not the same as ability to see!!! Actually all pages of msmobiles.com are visible for anybody but none of Mobius discussions are visible to the world, so your comparison is simply wrong.
Also your comparison about locking one's private house is wrong because Mobius is not private clique, but one paid/funded by publicly traded company - Microsoft.
Of course, feel free to email stuff to anybody you want. |
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leonard
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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From the original article;
"Microsoft also tries to hide the fact that Mobius is a secret, exclusive, clique"
And from the comment above;
"Mobius is not private clique, but one paid/funded by publicly traded company - Microsoft."
FLIP-FLOP! |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| leonard wrote: | From the original article;
"Microsoft also tries to hide the fact that Mobius is a secret, exclusive, clique"
And from the comment above;
"Mobius is not private clique, but one paid/funded by publicly traded company - Microsoft."
FLIP-FLOP! |
no, I am not flip-flopping! Just go to Mobius site:
http://www.mobiussite.com/background.html
... and observe that Microsoft is not mentioned there, and nature of this clique (bribery paid by Microsoft, secret discussions with badmouthing non-Mobius members behind the scenes, taking gifts from other companies and not disclosing it, etc) is also hidden.
The Microsoft is publicly traded on stock markets, but Mobius is not public. Do you understand the difference now? |
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | leonard wrote: | From the original article;
"Microsoft also tries to hide the fact that Mobius is a secret, exclusive, clique"
And from the comment above;
"Mobius is not private clique, but one paid/funded by publicly traded company - Microsoft."
FLIP-FLOP! |
no, I am not flip-flopping! Just go to Mobius site:
http://www.mobiussite.com/background.html
... and observe that Microsoft is not mentioned there, and nature of this clique (bribery paid by Microsoft, secret discussions with badmouting non-Mobius members behind the scenes, taking gifts from other companies and not disclosing it, etc) is also hidden.
The Microsoft is publicly traded on stock markets, but Mobius is not public. Do you understand the difference now? |
Erm, well actually it is a flip-flop - you directly contradicted yourself. You said originally that Mobius is a clique, and then in your forum comment you said Mobius is not a clique. Flip-flop.
I'm still not clear on what the problem is. All you have done is fling mud at the name of Mobius and hope some of it sticks, but you've neither explained why it's such a disaster that this community exists, nor offered any evidence to prove that bribery and corruption thrives at its heart.
A community is by its very nature exclusive. If I live in one village, I cannot expect to be included as part of the community in another village. We may share an identical way of life, our villages may be extremely similar in size and composition, but I don't live in the other village so being part of that community isn't possible.
Similarly, we may all have an interest in Windows Mobile, but I'm afraid you need to learn that there are some aspects of the wider WM community that neither you nor I will ever be part of. If they choose to have their meetings behind closed doors, and to only invite those that they so wish to join their community, then that is their decision.
Suggesting that because Microsoft is publicly traded, everything at Mobius should be public too is possibly the single stupidest thing that you have ever said. Microsoft may well be publicly traded, but does that make us privy to the details of every board meeting and corporate strategy that is devised?
Governments are publicly funded, but there are plenty of elements of government that remain out of the public domain - ever heard of the Official Secrets Act?
Stop being such a petty little bitch just because you're not allowed to play with the other kids.
If you've got a point to make, then try making it - but your lengthy, verbose article is nothing but mud-slinging and libel, and offers NOTHING in the way of substance or indeed any reason for its very existence.
Isn't it about time you tried sticking to the facts for once instead of p!ssing your weak, ill-considered opinions everywhere and making yourself look like a complete twat? |
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kvee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm and just suppose MS Mobiles had been invited this year. Would you have refused on principle and written your yearly boo hoo message??
Somehow, I just doubt that. More a case of hello boys, where's my freebies !! |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | nor offered any evidence to prove that bribery and corruption thrives at its heart.
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bribery : Microsoft pays for travelling, hotels, freebies and provies unofficial information not available to public.
definition of bribe:
1 : money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust
2 : something that serves to induce or influence
... so clearly simply by quoting some Mobius atendees, who admitted that Mobius is paid by Microsoft, I can prove legally that Mobius is a bribe. |
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leonard
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Go on then, prove it. |
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leonard
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: |
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I have another query;
| Quote: | | www.mobiussite.com - that is also registered secretly so that nobody can look-up who registered it. This is another sign how secretive this Mobius clique is. |
Who registered MSMobiles.com? <personal attack removed>
Idi. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| leonard wrote: | | Go on then, prove it. |
many places in Internet! For example:
http://www.clintonfitch.com/mobius/
... where you can read:
this is a Microsoft sponsored and paid for event
... and many other places ... |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| leonard wrote: | I have another query;
| Quote: | | www.mobiussite.com - that is also registered secretly so that nobody can look-up who registered it. This is another sign how secretive this Mobius clique is. |
Who registered MSMobiles.com? |
msmobiles.com is a private, independent from Microsoft website.
mobiussite.com is an official website of Mobius, that is paid by Microsoft, a publicly traded company. So you cannot compare one with other. |
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leonard
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| So, as mentioned earlier by someone else, should I not be allowed to attend board meetings in Microsoft? |
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