 |
msmobiles.com/f dicussions about Microsoft Smartphone and Pocket PC phone
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
msmobiles.com_robot
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 16777215
|
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: There is no place for Microsoft in the future of mobile phones - according to BBC |
|
|
Everybody knows that BBC - a public service broadcaster paid by taxes of UK residents - has a left wing-bias. Some people, including British prime minister Tony Blair, even say: anti-American bias. Today we can add...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/5532.html |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
tapani
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | There is no place for Microsoft in the future of mobile phones - according to BBC |
Your title is totally misleading. BBC didn't say what you claim. Actually, according to you, they didn't say anything about Windows Mobile. BBC is totally free to make a TV programme about Symbian. Symbian is UK based and it's market share is really big. Why can't BBC make a programme about successful mobile business?
For instance, consider a Finnish TV company, which makes a programme about Nokia and does not mention SonyEricsson or Motorola. Would this mean that Finnish TV companies are agains SE and Motorola and think they don't have any future? And as you say it, this makes Finnish TV companies also anti-american, anti-swedish, anti-everything, probably even communistic.
Your conclusions are totally childish and unprofessional. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
thelondonthing
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 236
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
What a complete load of bullshit.
Nowhere in the BBC correspondents blog, nor during the Newsnight package, did anybody say that there is no future for Microsoft in the future of mobile phones. You are putting words in the mouth of the BBC, and that is dishonest - but to be honest, that's what most people have come to expect of this p!ssy little website.
Your analysis is grossly misleading - if you'd actually bothered to watch the Newsnight package, as well as read the blog properly, you'd realise that it is not designed to be about which platforms are the best, and which handsets customers should buy. The package is about the general impressiveness of smartphones, and on that basis, there is commonality between all smartphone platforms.
The developments in smartphones are broadly the same across all platforms - better cameras, wi-fi, higher-resolution screens, improved UI, internet surfing, stereo headsets, 3G, HSDPA: each of these are features that are available, or are being rolled out, on all smartphone platforms. There would have been no benefit whatsoever for the BBC to be told the same information by both Symbian and Microsoft. Similarly, there would have been no real benefit to presenting "both sides of the story", because in this case, both sides of the story are the same, in that technology in smartphones is improving, and the features across platforms are broadly similar.
The fact that Newsnight chose to use Symbian for the package is indicative of these simple facts.
You say that Symbian is based in central London, with Microsoft in Reading and HTC Europe in Slough, and so the only reason that Microsoft wasn't mentioned was because of the BBC's so-called anti-Microsoft bias. Given that there was absolutely no evidence of anti-Microsoft bias in the package, that assessment doesn't hold water. It's correct that Microsoft wasn't mentioned and Symbian was - but it's also correct that Symbian was only really mentioned in the context of introducing the people to whom the correspondent was speaking. The package wasn't about how brilliant Symbian phones are, nor about how they are better than Microsoft phones. The package was simply demonstrating the massive improvements in smartphones as a whole.
You also obsess over how Symbian has a fractional presence in the US, which you emphasise is the world's largest consumer market. How exactly is that relevant? You later emphasise that the BBC has a global reach and should have a global perspective - so then why should it focus solely upon Symbian's US share when it's global market share is just under 80%?
It is common practice for news stations across the globe to speak to "the obvious choice" when it comes to preparing packages. On ITV News in the UK, I have seen more than once packages about music downloads which solely featured the iPod. Does this make ITV News biased against Microsoft because they didn't feature the Portable Media Center in their reports? Or is it simply because the iPod is the obvious choice to focus upon when discussing music downloads? On Sky News, CNN International, FOX News, and yes even BBC News, whenever there is a generic story about international computing, these broadcasters almost invariably feature stock footage of Microsoft Windows PCs in use. Does that make them anti-Apple of anti-Linux because only Windows has featured in such generic packages about global computing as a whole? Or is it simply because the footage is simply available, and the content of the package makes the platform being shown completely irrelevant in the context of the content itself?
They spoke to Symbian simply because Symbian is the most widespread platform at this time. The Newsnight package was not designed to be platform-specific; it was not intended to be an analysis of what is available on each platform, and pitting different smartphones against each other - it was simply a short piece about developments in the mobile phone industry as a whole, and getting input from Microsoft wouldn't have added anything else, especially considering the fact that (as you effectively acknowledge later in the article) Microsoft's approach to smartphones has so far been dominated by imitating and trying to catch up with its Symbian rival.
You don't even seem particularly convinced by your own assessment of this package, given that halfway through, you give up and go into a rant about Microsoft blogs, the lack of recent Windows Mobile advertising, and how imitation of the competition is not the best way for Microsoft to succeed - none of which has ANYTHING to do with the crap that you started spitting out at the beginning of your so-called article.
Oh, and incidentally, most audio/video content available through BBC News is available in streaming Windows Media format. Additionally, the new BBC iPlayer - their interactive media player which will allow BBC licence payers to download BBC content free of charge to their computers - is based exclusively on Windows Media. I was part of the trial for the new service - which at the time was called "BBC iMP" (Integrated Media Player) - and it is extremely impressive to use, and it has been developed closely with Microsoft. So how about you stop spitting out bullsh!t about the BBC's anti-Microsoft bias, when you clearly haven't done ANY research into this story, and in fact you've just decided that because Microsoft wasn't mentioned (in a package where mentioning it wouldn't have added ANYTHING at all), they therefore hate Microsoft.
If you'd actually bothered to do any research at all, you'd realise that the BBC actually works very closely with Microsoft, and that there is no tangible evidence of any animosity towards them. In fact, you might like to see the Director of BBC New Media speaking with Bill Gates at the Microsoft Mix06 conference just a few months ago - any evidence of anti-Microsoft vitriol? Erm.... no.
Rather than present the totality of the story, and recognising how closely the BBC actually works with Microsoft, you've only presented half of it, implying that the BBC dislikes Microsoft, and that that is why it was left out of the Newsnight package. If you'd actually presented the "whole truth, not half the truth" - as you claim you always do - your article would have of course looked extremely stupid, because your groundless accusations would have been undermined by the true facts of the matter, specifically that the BBC doesn't dislike Microsoft, and that the Newsnight package in question didn't badly represent Microsoft, and that in fact there was absolutely no need for Microsoft to have a presence in the package at all, except perhaps to nod and agree with everything that Symbian had already said about how smartphone technology is developing. Given that you yourself admit that Microsoft imitates rather than innovates in its Windows Mobile offering, can you explain what benefit there would have been to the BBC wasting money on interviewing Microsoft?
So how about you shut the fúck up and try writing stories that are actually based on facts rather than continuing to churn out sh!t like this that's based on nothing more than your tabloid misrepresentation of facts, and your continuing ignorance of the "whole truth". |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
| tapani wrote: | | BBC is totally free to make a TV programme about Symbian. |
not really! Why? becase it was not (!) a TV programme about Symbian but a TV programme about FUTURE OF MOBILE PHONES. It is like making a program about something and presenting story of the one side only - it is unprofessional and only half-truth.
I will not comment thelondonthing's hatred, because he used vulgar words. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
kvee
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 110
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hmmm I feel another story deletion coming on
The touble with MS Mobiles is that it craves tabloid style sensational headlines. "BBC biased against Microsoft" is a headline grabber. The only flaw with this that there is absolutely f*** all evidence to support it.
One of these days someone is gonna sue the ass off MS Mobiles for libel. Its only a matter of time !! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| kvee wrote: |
One of these days someone is gonna sue the ass off MS Mobiles for libel. Its only a matter of time !! |
woudl you stop lying please, kvee? The fact that BBC is biased against Microsoft can be supported by several facts that are proofs. I mentioned just some of them in the article. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
tapani
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | not really! Why? becase it was not (!) a TV programme about Symbian but a TV programme about FUTURE OF MOBILE PHONES. It is like making a
|
For most people smartphones are equal to Symbian. Go to a phone shop and you see it full of Nokia phones. Maybe one or two Windows phones and they definetely are not for consumers. It's like making a programme titled FUTURE OF PERSONAL COMPUTERS and talking only about Windows XP when there are Mac and Linux users too. Would you consider that program to be anti-Mac or anti-Linux? People just don't understand titles like FUTURE OF SYMBIAN OPERATING SYSTEM.
| Quote: | | I will not comment thelondonthing's hatred, because he used vulgar words. |
I think you should because the comment was really to the point. Don't you try to use the easy way by just ignoring comments! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
| thelondonthing wrote: |
They spoke to Symbian simply because Symbian is the most widespread platform at this time. |
Not in USA!
Besides most of Symbian phones sold in Europe are not purchases as smartphones but just as phones, but users who buy Windows Mobile phones in most cases consciously know that these are smartphones.
Your logic is spotty, thelondonthing. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
tapani
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
BBC - British Broadcasting Company. Why would they care about the markets in USA when making a programme to brits and other europeans. Who in USA watches BBC programmes anyway?
| Quote: | Besides most of Symbian phones sold in Europe are not purchases as smartphones but just as phones, but users who buy Windows Mobile phones in most cases consciously know that these are smartphones.
|
So? The programme title was FUTURE OF MOBILE PHONES. So if people don't consider Windows phones mobile phones, but SMARTPHONES and consider Symbian phones as MOBILE PHONES then the title is correct. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
peekie
Joined: 30 Mar 2004 Posts: 3
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Stop complaining about the bbc as you are not even allowed to watch it as its for the uk only not germany , if you dont like what they say then dont watch it simple really  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| peekie wrote: | Stop complaining about the bbc as you are not even allowed to watch it as its for the uk only not germany , if you dont like what they say then dont watch it simple really  |
please stop these petty personal attacks, peekie or I will ban you!
Besides: have you ever heard of freedom of speech? You are not the one to decide what anybody can watch or not. It is very arrogant (to express it mildly) to dictate what others can or cannot do. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
leonard
Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 33
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
I want MSMobiles to address this comment by TheLondonThing;
| Quote: | Oh, and incidentally, most audio/video content available through BBC News is available in streaming Windows Media format. Additionally, the new BBC iPlayer - their interactive media player which will allow BBC licence payers to download BBC content free of charge to their computers - is based exclusively on Windows Media. I was part of the trial for the new service - which at the time was called "BBC iMP" (Integrated Media Player) - and it is extremely impressive to use, and it has been developed closely with Microsoft. So how about you stop spitting out bullsh!t about the BBC's anti-Microsoft bias, when you clearly haven't done ANY research into this story, and in fact you've just decided that because Microsoft wasn't mentioned (in a package where mentioning it wouldn't have added ANYTHING at all), they therefore hate Microsoft.
If you'd actually bothered to do any research at all, you'd realise that the BBC actually works very closely with Microsoft, and that there is no tangible evidence of any animosity towards them. In fact, you might like to see the Director of BBC New Media speaking with Bill Gates at the Microsoft Mix06 conference just a few months ago - any evidence of anti-Microsoft vitriol? Erm.... no. |
How on earth can MSMobiles maintain the proposterous position that the BBC is anti-Microsoft? If the only defence is that MSMobiles doesn't like to read rude words written by TheLondonThing (words which MSMobiles uses on a very regular basis outside of this trashy website), then he has already lost the argument.
Thoroughly, completely and beyond recovery, this argument is lost and MSMobiles has nothing at all to offer in defence. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
leonard
Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 33
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| msmobiles.com_dumbacre wrote: | | You are not the one to decide what anybody can watch or not. It is very arrogant (to express it mildly) to dictate what others can or cannot do. |
What, like dictating to others what they can and cannot put into their TV programs?
Dictating to other who they can and can't invite to their community events? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
tapani
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 44
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | please stop these petty personal attacks, peekie or I will ban you! |
Haven't you learned that you cannot ban people who disagree with you? You cannot consider these "attacks" as personal since everything you say here is opinion of msmobiles.com not only your personal opinion. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
kvee
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 110
|
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | kvee wrote: |
One of these days someone is gonna sue the ass off MS Mobiles for libel. Its only a matter of time !! |
woudl you stop lying please, kvee? The fact that BBC is biased against Microsoft can be supported by several facts that are proofs. I mentioned just some of them in the article. |
Its already been explained to you in detail that you have taken the BBC report totally out of context. The BBC wanted comments on the future of mobile phones and discussed with Symbian. So what?? You are contending that the report was not presented in balanced impartial way because it did not seek the views of competitor Microsoft. That's just bollox.
You are effectively saying that the BBC should discuss issues with all direct competitors. So if the BBC discuss the future of cars with Ford the BBC is biased against: General Motors, VW/Audi, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Peugeot, Saab, Renualt, Citroen etc etc etc is it???. Do you see how bloody stupid you are now !!! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|