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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Microsoft betrays manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones |
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From the point of view of Microsoft if one Microsoft product will damage sales of another product of Microsoft, then Microsoft couldn't care less, because both products are anyway Microsoft based, right?
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/5604.html |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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What a business genius! |
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bucci
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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^ troll-alert ^  |
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netboy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Microsoft betrays manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones |
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| msmobiles.com_robot wrote: | From the point of view of Microsoft if one Microsoft product will damage sales of another product of Microsoft, then Microsoft couldn't care less, because both products are anyway Microsoft based, right?
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/5604.html |
you dont know what u talking about! Zune is just a Ipod clone or Ipod wanna-be. Zune is competing with Ipod, NOT with windows mobile devices! Zune is just a music and video player, where windows mobile devices let you access emails, internets, pda stuffs, etc.
that is like saying upcoming Microsoft Vista will hurts Windows Mobile devices sale! that is just 2 different platform |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Microsoft betrays manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones |
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netboy wrote:
| Quote: | | Zune is just a music and video player, where windows mobile devices let you access emails, internets, pda stuffs, etc. |
Exactly, HTC has not released any real music phone so far. And no music download service either. The service is far more important than the device itself. Windows Mobile phones are still more business phones than entertainment. So Zune is trying to take markets from iPod and like devices. And primarily, Zune is a media player not a phone.
If Zune had been first and sold in HTC brand and now Microsoft would introduce phones with MP3 players, msmobiles would say that phones with MP3 hinder Zune sales.
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| Quote: | | Manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones are now very disappointed with Microsoft, |
Where is the source for this "fact"? You shouldn't state anything as a news that you can't prove or, which comes solely from you own head. You can think that manufactuers MAY or SHOULD be disappointed, but you don't know for fact that they ARE disappointed. If you were a real professional journalist you would know that.
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EJR
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Microsoft betrays manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones |
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| netboy wrote: |
you dont know what u talking about! |
I know what I am talking about: it is not just my personal opinion but it is what (mainly Taiwanese) manufacturers feel: they FEEL betrayed and if they feel so, they are so. |
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bucci
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Microsoft betrays manufacturers of Windows Mobile phones |
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| Verizy wrote: |
nothing that matters |
Have you always been a benchwarming Monday-morning quarterback or is this something new for you?  |
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kupe
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Your report of Microsoft's business approach reminds me of how HTC went from being a provider a products for other brands to a greedy, self-branded manufacturer (while alienating former partners along the way). Is that how you view Microsoft in this article? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| kupe wrote: | | Is that how you view Microsoft in this article? |
yes, to certain extent,
but Microsoft is a huge corporation and here clearly one can observe that Zune is a child of Xbox people and not creation of "Embedded and Windows Mobile software" division, so once again it is totally ignorning Windows Mobile.
Let us not forget that Zune is just a next generation of Portable Media Center - PMC - a very pathetic devices that were powered by Windows CE but coudn't run any third part applications and had hard disk too.
So it is not about greed but rather about chaos and lack of coordination. Such higher level manager as Robbie Bach who is sitting over both Zune and Windows Mobile (and also over Xbox) should coordinate more efforts and ensure that synergies occur, but he is a totally useless figure. He is like that character "Willy" from Dilbert comic strips... and now we have situation where partners of Microsoft from Taiwan are very angry at Microsoft's decision to release Zune players and Zune phones, without giving any piece of cake to them - no ability to licence it or use Zune services in Windows Mobile phones.
It's too bad. Sometimes I have impression that some departments in Microsoft are in fact totally different companies that hate each other... |
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netboy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | kupe wrote: | | Is that how you view Microsoft in this article? |
yes, to certain extent,
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you still dont know what u talking about! i guess other manufacturers also angry at microsoft for not licensing xbox games or windows xp/vista software for window mobile devices? if u want a ipod clone, u get Zune. if u want your email, Internets, pda stuffs, u get a windows mobile device! and if u want OS software for your laptop or desktop, u get Windows XP! and if u want to play xbox games, u get a XBOX 360! each device is designed for different purpose! |
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bucci
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Quite clearly, convergence eludes you, netboy. And that's not always a bad thing.  |
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DaGeDa
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: Zune |
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| Who's going to make the Zune phone? Microsoft?? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Zune |
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| DaGeDa wrote: | | Who's going to make the Zune phone? Microsoft?? |
Microsoft will brand it and it is sure (no need to it!) that Zune phone is coming, and who will manufacture it? Only one company, but many other companies will be then left alone without licence to make Zune phone and without orders to manufacture it. |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Zune |
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| Quote: | | but many other companies will be then left alone without licence to make Zune phone and without orders to manufacture it. |
Are you saying that HTC would want to manufacture Zune. I don't think so. That's totally out of their focus. And as we have seen, Microsoft media concepts have not proven to be very succesful. Zune is nothing compared to iPod. iPod has style, elegance, something unique Microsoft products have never had. I don't think Zune is "a very pathetic devices". It may be small, fast, very usable etc. but it misses the style of iPod. As usually technical superiority alone does not sell. No matter how small, powerful and feature rich device HTC pulls out there are no buyers if the phone does not create a new way of life.
| Quote: | | So it is not about greed but rather about chaos and lack of coordination |
Since when have you been an expert in company management? Maybe media and mobile phones stay a different devices. Maybe consumers don't want to buy iPod and phone in a same package. Maybe people don't want a keypad, a SIM card, a large battery etc. to their tiny iPod nano. Nokia tried N-Gage and did not succeed. I'm not sure about their music phones either. So maybe the road Microsoft has chosen is better. Add a phone to a music device instead of trying to add entertainment to a phone. Nokia's N-Gage has too many restrictions because it uses a phone platform, which then is tried to be extended to be an entertaintment platform.
| Quote: | | now we have situation where partners of Microsoft from Taiwan are very angry at Microsoft's |
Where is the proof of this? Can you finally show it? This is just your own opinion. Besides, first you say that Zune is a very pathetic device and then you say how angry the MS partners in Taiwan are because they cannot manufacture Zune. Isn't that a bit contradictory? Who wants to license "a very pathetic device"?
| Quote: | | different companies that hate each other |
So when an entertainment division decides to add a phone to a portable media device it does it just because it hates the mobile phone division? The entertainment division should not create a portable device and use the manufacturer they see best just because there happen to be mobile phone manufacturers who have licensed other division's operating system? I just cannot see the logic in your theory. Maybe you should understand that HTC is not part of Microsoft and they just license Microsoft's operating system. That should not bind the hands of Microsoft. Microsoft is not the same for HTC as Symbian is for Nokia.
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heavyduty
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Correct |
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The article has some valid points.
Instead of creating a whole new platform for the Zune they should have leveraged and extended the WM platform and its multimedia capabilities, ideally substituting Win Media Player with this whole new player. It doesn't necessarily mean Zune should only be offered as a WM device, but this fusion certainly makes sense and would have been of great benefit to the consumers, and probably also to the Zune project. It simply makes no sense to create a completely new and separate multimedia player/platform having the WM platform. |
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