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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Samsung IP-830W Pocket PC phone available now in USA at Sprint |
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In Europe Samsung has not released yet any Pocket PC phone with QWERTY keyboard but in USA - the most important market in the world - Samsung is very active in this area!
There is another difference between Europ...
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JNGold
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Um...Cingular a smaller carrier in the US? Have you checked the subscription numbers in the last 2-3 years? When AT&T wireless and Cingular merged, they became the largest subscriber based carrier in the US. Since that time I am sure Verizon has improved it's numbers, but calling Cingular a smaller carrier is just plain silly. Plus, combine Cingular and T-Mo and go have a very large population percentage in favor of GSM.
With regards to this phone, it NOT a world phone. Sprint's marketing this is phone as a "World" phone. However, the specs of this phone do not support 850/1900 which most of North America (US and Canada) and many countries in South America support.
So, I buy this phone as a Sprint customer and I travel to Bolivia, I can't use this phone with a GSM card since Boliva uses 850/1900?
So, perhaps Sprint's marketing is misleading?
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bucci
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JNGold wrote: | | Um...Cingular a smaller carrier in the US? Have you checked the subscription numbers in the last 2-3 years? When AT&T wireless and Cingular merged, they became the largest subscriber based carrier in the US. Since that time I am sure Verizon has improved it's numbers, but calling Cingular a smaller carrier is just plain silly. Plus, combine Cingular and T-Mo and go have a very large population percentage in favor of GSM. |
The "smaller" reference was obviously referring to the world market, which would be accurate.
| Quote: | With regards to this phone, it NOT a world phone. Sprint's marketing this is phone as a "World" phone. However, the specs of this phone do not support 850/1900 which most of North America (US and Canada) and many countries in South America support.
So, I buy this phone as a Sprint customer and I travel to Bolivia, I can't use this phone with a GSM card since Boliva uses 850/1900?
So, perhaps Sprint's marketing is misleading? |
According to Sprint, the i830w is quadband GSM, which, by definition, includes 850/1900.
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kupe
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| bucci wrote: | | The "smaller" reference was obviously referring to the world market, which would be accurate. |
From a "world market" viewpoint, wouldn't T-Mobile be big then?
| bucci wrote: | | According to Sprint, the i830w is quadband GSM, which, by definition, includes 850/1900. |
According to the Sprint link posted by msmobiles, the i830w is quad band, but only two bands each for GSM and CDMA (GSM 900/1800, CDMA 850/1900). PhoneScoop's specs say the same thing. So it looks like JNGold's point still stands.
How come there wasn't so much hoopla about the i830 on msmobiles when Verizon (currently the largest subscriber base in the USA) released this phone last February?  |
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bucci
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Not that this is a point/counterpoint idiotic internet debate, but I stand corrected, as shown by the Sprint tech sheet here: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/cmastaticfiles/non-landing//documents/PressKit/SamsungIP-830wFactSheet.pdf The reference to 'Digital Quad-band' that Sprint is using for marketing this phone threw me, as Quad-band is the term generally used for describing complete GSM compliance.
Hoopla? You call this hoopla? Fuckin' christ, get a pair of pliers and yank that wildhair from your anus already.  |
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JNGold
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Hoopla? You call this hoopla? Fuckin' christ, get a pair of pliers and yank that wildhair from your anus already. |
Told ya! 
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Heike1975
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Well, a Samsung device with an Intel CPU... Strange. |
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kupe
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Heike1975 wrote: | | Well, a Samsung device with an Intel CPU... Strange. |
It's a fairly old device. It's twin, the i730, originally went on sale in May 2005 after about a year of testing. I suspect it's a cost savings measure to keep the CPU the same.
| bucci wrote: | | Hoopla? You call this hoopla? |
| msmobiles wrote: | | ...the most important market in the world...Samsung is very active in this area!...has amazing support for cellular standards... |
Hoopla ... msmobiles style (i.e. over-excitement about nothing) - about an 18 month old product. |
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Physboy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| bucci wrote: | | The "smaller" reference was obviously referring to the world market, which would be accurate. |
Actually the "smaller" reference was clearly referring to the "USA" market:
| Quote: | | in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it, and the most popular cellular standard is CDMA (EVDO) available from Verizon Wireless and Sprint. |
So, JNGold is correct in pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement.
In addition why on earth would anyone want to get used to high speed on the USA CDMA network to have to be limited to GPRS speeds which this phone can only provide??
Since, HSDPA is around the corner in USA, it only makes sense to get a GSM based GPRS or HSDPA phone and have the ability to ACTUALLY use it around the WORLD.
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bucci
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Physboy wrote: | | bucci wrote: | | The "smaller" reference was obviously referring to the world market, which would be accurate. |
Actually the "smaller" reference was clearly referring to the "USA" market:
| Quote: | | in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it, and the most popular cellular standard is CDMA (EVDO) available from Verizon Wireless and Sprint. |
So, JNGold is correct in pointing out the inaccuracy of the statement. |
When taken in context, you're quite wrong, as the entire quote is: | Quote: | | There is another difference between Europe and USA: while Europe is dominated by UMTS/GSM standards, in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it, and the most popular cellular standard is CDMA (EVDO) available from Verizon Wireless and Sprint. |
'Nuf said!
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bucci
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| JNGold wrote: | | bucci wrote: |
When taken in context, you're quite wrong, as the entire quote is: | Quote: | | There is another difference between Europe and USA: while Europe is dominated by UMTS/GSM standards, in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it, and the most popular cellular standard is CDMA (EVDO) available from Verizon Wireless and Sprint. |
'Nuf said!
You couldn't come up with a better, additional login name than that? |
Um bucci, I think you may need to re-evaluate your stance:
1. Obviously he is NOT referring to the "world" market - unless to you the "world" consists only of Europe. |
Smaller refers to the clear comparison of US to Europe market within the statement.
| Quote: | | 2. The sentence is poorly stated, not to mention the grammer blows. Read the above statements - Cingular is the largest subscriber base in the US (58+ million last time I checked). Plus the T-Mo subscriber base, where does MSMobiles come off saying that CDMA is the most popular cellular standard? |
Completely different issue not previously addressed.  |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Take a look at the following Q206 market share presentation. Cingular has the largest market share of US carriers. So it is not a small carrier in USA as wiceacre says. And CDMA is not so dominating in USA as he thinks.
In Europe all operators use UMTS/GSM regardless of their size. If you want a worldwide comparison then you can compare Cingular's 5M customers to the largest European operators in France, Italy, Germany etc., which have about 20-30M customers each. Cingular is small wordwide, but that obviously is not what wiseacre meant.
Cingular 25.70%
Verizon 24.59%
Sprint 18.57%
T-Mobile 10.47%
Rest 20.68%
http://www.chetansharma.com/US%20Wireless%20Market%20Mid%20Year%20Update%20Aug%202006%20-%20Chetan%20Sharma%20Consulting.ppt
BTW. i830W is one of the ugliest and outdated phones I have ever seen.
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bucci
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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The lack of ability to comprehend a simple comparative statement is astounding. What is being compared? US and Europe. Skew this simple sentence into something else it isn't, why don't ya?
| Quote: | | There is another difference between Europe and USA: while Europe is dominated by UMTS/GSM standards, in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it. |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bucci wrote: | The lack of ability to comprehend a simple comparative statement is astounding. What is being compared? US and Europe. Skew this simple sentence into something else it isn't, why don't ya?
| Quote: | | There is another difference between Europe and USA: while Europe is dominated by UMTS/GSM standards, in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it. |
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What is astounding is that you don't get it. Wiseacre said that only small US operators use GSM/UMTS as in Europe all operators use GSM/UMTS. As I see it, Wiseacre thinks that also in US all operators should be GSM/UMTS. Why is it so hard to understand. Or are you just once again trolling?
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bucci
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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You lack the ability to address the comparative statement as it is written. No doubt, you'll keep up the spin-doctoring regardless of the brick wall of reality in your face.
| Quote: | | There is another difference between Europe and USA: while Europe is dominated by UMTS/GSM standards, in USA only smaller operators (Cingular, T-Mobile) use it. |
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