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 Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: HP and Palm to dump HTC, downfall of HTC imminent ? |
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HTC was arrogant (dumped its long-year partners), HTC was hostile towards Windows Mobile supporters (sent a lawyer against us just because we published photos of some upcoming HTC phones), and HTC was amateurish (by...
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Verizy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Remember Motorola Q? Your predictions were so wrong.
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gilesjuk
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| I'd put it more down to competition, after all you can't be competiting with the people who are making your product. |
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kvee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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HTC are going to have to face up against something that is long overdue - competition from other manufacturers for Win Mobile phones.
Previously, HTC had the Win Mobile market to itself and could dictate everything from pace of phone development to prices. If phone networks or OEM's did not like it there were no real alternatives to turn to.
As you said, HTC decided last year to stop supplies to some of the OEM companies and put its name on phones to create a brand name in the market. Fair enough, HTC wants to become a recognised phone manufacturer in its own right.
The positive effect of that decision is that OEM's had no choice but to find other manufacturers thereby increasing demand for their products meaning these companies could invest in new products and increase production.
We are coming to a position where there are now credible alternatives to HTC and companies such as HP are no doubt finding they can strike a better deal with HTC competitors and still obtain a quality product.
The knock on effects for HTC are that it is going to have to be competitive with prices and cutting edge with products to maintain its current position in the market. Otherwise, providers such as Orange, Voda, O2 and T-Mobile will go elsewhere. I don't see HTC going down the tubes but it can't afford to be complacent any longer - the competition has arrived and its not going away. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| kvee wrote: | | I don't see HTC going down the tubes but it can't afford to be complacent any longer - the competition has arrived and its not going away. |
exactly! but by now HTC was complacent: why still there is no Pocket PC phone with QWERTY keyboard for single handed usage from HTC? Why HTC still has very poor/bad cameras with 2 megapixel while Nokia releases high-quality cameras with 5 megapixel ? Why HTC can't have multi-touch display? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Verizy wrote: | Remember Motorola Q? Your predictions were so wrong.
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no! just wait till June when Apple iPhone will be released - iPhone changes everything and then sales of Q will drop hugely. |
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gilesjuk
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
exactly! but by now HTC was complacent: why still there is no Pocket PC phone with QWERTY keyboard for single handed usage from HTC? Why HTC still has very poor/bad cameras with 2 megapixel while Nokia releases high-quality cameras with 5 megapixel ? Why HTC can't have multi-touch display? |
Probably because HTC have produced average handsets, demonstrated them to O2, Orange, T-Mobile and others. These companies have said "change that, improve that" etc. but without that input HTC will need some quality control and vision.
Also, when you have the hardware made by one company and the OS by another, it's hard to achieve that slick well integrated product. It has to be generic as it is being used in many devices.
Microsoft need to give OEMs greater input in Windows Mobile, let some of them suggest interface changes. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| gilesjuk wrote: |
Microsoft need to give OEMs greater input in Windows Mobile, let some of them suggest interface changes. |
Microsoft does that: the QVGA landscape (320x240) resolution in MS Smarthone was introduced on explicit request from Motorola for Motorola Q.
However Microsoft claims also that neither Palm nor anybody else request support for resolution 320x320 (used in many Palm OS Treo smartphones) and that's why Microsoft has not provided this support what results in many Windows Mobile phones having crippled resolution of 240x240.
I think that HTC and other manufacturers should clearly demand from Microsoft support for multi-touch in Windows Mobile !!!!!!!! |
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kupe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | I think that HTC and other manufacturers should clearly demand from Microsoft support for multi-touch in Windows Mobile !!!!!!!! |
Isn't it funny how some cell phone consumers shifted from preaching the virtues of one-handed use to claiming the requirement to use not one, but two fingers at the same time is the second coming? How fickle! 
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mchale
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
exactly! but by now HTC was complacent: why still there is no Pocket PC phone with QWERTY keyboard for single handed usage from HTC? |
Because they had a contract with Palm that stated specifically they wouldn't as long as they were building the Palm devices.
HTC has quite the nerd following and will survive as a company much longer that iMate. They may have to lay some people off though.
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| kupe wrote: |
Isn't it funny how some cell phone consumers shifted from preaching the virtues of one-handed use to claiming the requirement to use not one, but two fingers at the same time is the second coming? How fickle! |
iPhone can do both: single hand typing with virtual onscreen keyboard and 2 hand 2 finger gestures - that's why Windows Mobile should have multi-touch support too ! |
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gilesjuk
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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But the iPhone is huge!
You can get away with a big shiny slab of a phone if you're Apple. |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | no! just wait till June when Apple iPhone will be released - iPhone changes everything and then sales of Q will drop hugely. |
How come you get frightened immediately when something new is released? Sure iPhone has some fancy animations etc. but I'm not so sure all people are satisfied with the touch-screen keyboard.
The device is too bulky to be primarily a phone. It's a nice music/video player and all Mac fans rush to buy the device. But is that enough and are all those people really using Windows Mobile phone or more specifically Motorola Q. If not, why is iPhone affecting Q sales? The concept of the phones are totally different. iPhone is more like Pocket PC phones with no QWERTY keyboard. If someone buys Q then he clearly does not like Pocket PC and touch screen and wants a hardware keyboard.
European people are not going to buy iPhone. It's so different from Nokia phones. US people buy shiny white iPods to be trendy. They may buy iPhone because someone says it's trendy and stylish. But what do redneck-white-sneaker-yankees know about style? Absolutely nothing.
I would categorize iPhone as a nice experiment and that's all.
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Verizy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| kvee wrote: | | The positive effect of that decision is that OEM's had no choice but to find other manufacturers thereby increasing demand for their products meaning these companies could invest in new products and increase production. |
This is a really good point. Currently all other Windows Mobile phones than Samsung, HTC and Motorola really suck. They are bulky and ugly. Look at those phones iMate is selling. Are they from Inventec or TechFaith? They have poor connectivity and look ugly. Samsung and HTC are the only ones who can even somehow compete with Nokia's S60 phones.
I really hope that the other OEM's can now improve their products when they get orders from companies like HP, Palm and iMate. We really need small, fast and elegant devices. When the devices are good we can concentrate on complaining the usability and non-elegance of Windows Mobile OS.
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cipher
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| iPhone has failed to impress me much. They shouldn't have tried to market it as a phone. They can do a lot better if they, I think, market it as an iPod with a phone in it instead of a phone with an iPod, know what I mean. But it's arrival is most welcome because that would push WM to improve, and seriously I've used two HTC devices so far, and I don't think they deserve to be such a big company yet. Each and everyone of their devices have had one problem or another. Screen alignment issues in a device costing around $700, that can be quite a disappointing experience. Windows mobile has to improve as well, I came onto WM from symbian, and IMO windows mobile is still quite unstable. Using Symbian was a more satisfying experience. |
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