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msmobiles.com_robot
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 16777215
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: HTC responds to Apple iPhone - NO MULTI-TOUCH in future HTC phones ! |
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HTC is manufacturing approx. 70 % of all Windows Mobile phones sold nowadays and it is a big powerful corporation, so we are amazed to learn that HTC decided to ignore multi-touch technology, which is the most impor...
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kupe
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 513
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles wrote: | | Clearly ignoring multi-touch technology (known also as multi-point touch screen) is a huge mistake on part of HTC. Refusing to use multi-touch in future products by a mobile phone manufacturer is like refusing to produce jet airplanes by aircraft manufacturer, that would say "we will not mimic competition and we will not make airplanes powered by jet engines, we will stick to propeller planes". |
What's the big deal with multi-touch on a phone? Personally, I would rather have to use fewer fingers to operate my phone, not more fingers per hand. What can I do with multi-touch that can't be done with "mono-touch" or even just a keypad? And please don't say "zooming" or "squishing." You can already perform those actions and a lot more without a touch screen.
Are you a big proponent of "multi-mousing" on a PC too? After all, "mono-mousing" is so 2006.  _________________ good titles are misleading!
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JonesJ
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think you are overselling Multi-touch massively. It is a bit gimmicky.
I would definetly rather have:
Replacable battery
3G
Memory slots
Ability to run non-vendor produce software
Ability to write my own software!
Standard mini-USB port
etc..
The iPhone is beautiful and it will definetly raise the aesthetics bar and make the Windows Mobile OS developers realize that their OS looks appalling but given the choice of features I would still stick with MS.
MS just need to simplify the way it looks dramatically, ant-alias their icons, dump the start menu (hello...this is a phone not a desktop computer!)
Jan. (Imate SP5 owner) _________________ Jonesy |
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Physboy

Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think the Multi-Touch technology has its strength in screens that are large enough to allow the types of manipulations in the video.
It clearly does not appear to be that effective for small screens liken to mobile devices. I think it is wise that HTC sits on this technology to see what a hit it becomes or does not become with Apple's new product.
I do not think that Apple's new device is bringing much to the table at this point. I personally do not like the large size of the device. _________________ Ignoring Troll Behavior in Pursuit of Deterring Disinformation and Off-Topic, Antagonism.
---Death to Disinformation!  |
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raulr
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 26
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="kupe"]
What's the big deal with multi-touch on a phone? Personally, I would rather have to use fewer fingers to operate my phone, not more fingers per hand. What can I do with multi-touch that can't be done with "mono-touch" or even just a keypad? And please don't say "zooming" or "squishing." You can already perform those actions and a lot more without a touch screen.
Are you a big proponent of "multi-mousing" on a PC too? After all, "mono-mousing" is so 2006. [/quote]
I agree. I don't think multi-touch is that big a deal.
The only thing the iPhone really does that differentiates itself from everything else is the UI and how it integrates all the features a consumer could want so well. Until I see some apps that prove otherwise, I don't consider the iPhone a PDA phone or a smartphone. Just a phone with an impressive UI. |
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mnice
Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9 Location: Finland
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I must also agree. Multi-Touch is useless. Really. a lot bigger screen, ok, there might be some nice UI stuff.
Just think about aligment problems with multi-touch
Its always one thing to create phone with show-off features and another to create phone that has great basic fuctions and easy to add new stuff as technology grows (and still keep all as open as possible)... |
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DanITman
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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To say that every mobile manufacture needs to get into multi touch is clearly way off. HTC has come a long ways without your help and I don't think they need your input now. Apple has protected multi-touch pretty well and for any other phoen to come out with it would probably end in a lawsuit with Apple.
You are clearly not thinking outside the box. What if HTC made a device that you didn't even have to touch? What if it read brain waves and knew what you were thinking. Now that would be innovative.
I actually prefer the feel of a real button being pressed. There is a certain conformation that is hard to replicate with a touch screen. |
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iantaylor27
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 79
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: I agree |
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| Its a good technology but windows mobile does not need it, Does it zap the battery more than conventional screens? |
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mms_user
Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| he doesn't say anywhere in that article that HTC won't use multi touch, they just say that they will not make a blatant copy of the i-phone. seems like you are making assumptions, plus i've noticed an extreme anti-htc bias lately from the topics that are posted here lately, let it go man..... |
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schriss
Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 93 Location: Poland
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| HTC: "we have our own cool stuff coming out as well" - lets just wait. Can't have everything at once. |
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spacer
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 15
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kupe
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 513
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: more appropriate video |
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| spacer wrote: | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=884017118027634444
Its same device just better explaining video |
That video convinced me even more how "gimmicky" multi-touch is. Ironically, multi-touch forces you to use both hands to uni-task. Instead of using a single, one-handed mouse gesture to move, rearrange, zoom, stretch, etc leaving your other hand free to type/change modes, you need to use 2 hands with multi-touch to do one type of task.
Truly efficient input systems allow the user to do two separate sets of activities simultaneously with an overall resulting increase in effectiveness/productivity. Steering wheel and shifter (car), joystick and throttle (aircraft), cyclic and collective (helicopter), sword and shield (footman), reigns and gun/lasso (cowboy), crane operator controls, bulldozer controls, et al. Sure, it's cool to be able to slide two items in different directions simultaneously, but what does that gain me in productivity? _________________ good titles are misleading!
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GraysonPeddie
Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Tallahassee, FL 32310
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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iPhone is just another phone... Who cares? I don't need MultiTouch... _________________ I'm a Windows-Freak!
I have an HP Pavilion Notebook zv6130us and a UTStarcom PPC-6700 from Alltel. |
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lardude
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: Too quick to dismiss Multitouch? |
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Is Multi-touch (and more generally, "gesture-based" UI's) really only hype
and all gimmick? Personally, I would wait and see. Perhaps users and
developers need time to really use and digest it, roll it around in their
head a bit, and think of how this new/different metaphor of doing things
"could" be better.
For example, if one wanted to replicate the iPod's clickwheel on a
touchscreen, multi-touch is probably the way to go (and I believe,
many/most people are able to handle it using only one hand). Maybe
developers need to focus on multi-touch/gestures involving only the
thumb to ensure that one-handed use is optimized. Much more importantly,
a gesture-based UI based on [dx,dy] (and more, actually) instead of
[x,y] means that we won't have to hunt and poke -- it could mean that
maybe we don't even have to be looking at the screen while we are
entering our gesture-command. I would love that.
Imagine "flicking" the top corner of the screen and have the pages of
a long PDF/WORD document start to flip continuously until you find the
page you were looking for (which might be faster, in certain instances,
than entering words into a search box via a hardware/software keyboard).
Also, with accelerometers (the iPhone will only have one?), maybe
gestures like tilting the screen could result in scrolling. Or flicking
your wrist could result in advancing the page. Who knows, the possibilities
could be endless. |
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kupe
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 513
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Too quick to dismiss Multitouch? |
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| lardude wrote: | | Maybe developers need to focus on multi-touch/gestures involving only the thumb to ensure that one-handed use is optimized. |
You realize that this sentence makes no sense, right? One-handed, thumb, multi-touch? Apparently the concept is eluding you so far unless folks in your neck of the woods have multiple thumbs on each hand. Are you from West Virginia by chance?
| lardude wrote: | | Imagine "flicking" the top corner of the screen and have the pages of a long PDF/WORD document start to flip continuously until you find the page you were looking for (which might be faster, in certain instances, than entering words into a search box via a hardware/software keyboard). |
Oh my - how could anyone ever do that with a "mono-touch" screen (or a single button press)? Well, except for now - since this is early 1990s technology. Seriously, do Apple a favor and never waste their design teams' time, OK?  _________________ good titles are misleading!
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