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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Live from CeBIT 2007 : Microsoft stand - squandered opportunity |
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While Windows Mobile was very clearly present and underlined during Microsoft press conference at CeBIT 2007, at the stand of Microsoft (in hall 4 - accessible for everybody, not just for journalists) at CeBIT 2007:...
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gilesjuk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Those Dell Axims are quite old now too?
This is the problem with Microsoft, they want to move into other market areas and have had some success with XBox. But Windows and Office will always be more important to them than Windows Mobile.
If Microsoft had enhanced Windows Mobile with a much nicer interface, make it slick and less clunky then used this for Zune I think the Windows Mobile platform would have been in a better state. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| gilesjuk wrote: |
If Microsoft had enhanced Windows Mobile with a much nicer interface, make it slick and less clunky then used this for Zune I think the Windows Mobile platform would have been in a better state. |
Why would you need Inbox and Office Mobile in Zune?
Yes, fluid interface with smoothly moving windows and nice transitions - that's what Windows Mobile needs. |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Live from CeBIT 2007 : Microsoft stand - squandered oppo |
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| msmobiles.com_robot wrote: | | While Windows Mobile was very clearly present and underlined during Microsoft press conference at CeBIT 2007, at the stand of Microsoft (in hall 4 - accessible for everybody, not just for journalists) at CeBIT 2007:... |
Are you aware that Nokia is not present at CeBIT 2007 at all? That's because the event is too large and nobody finds you amongst the halls full of PC cases and all useless junk, which does not interest consumer - the assumed target audience. CeBIT has lost its focus, you cannot reach any audience there.
And it's not Microsoft who is selling the phones. Just like Symbian does not promote to end-users and is not present in any consumer trade shows. It's up to the OEM's and operators to promote their phones, not Microsoft. This is the huge difference between PC and mobile world.
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gilesjuk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
Why would you need Inbox and Office Mobile in Zune?
Yes, fluid interface with smoothly moving windows and nice transitions - that's what Windows Mobile needs. |
It would make the Zune an mp3 with PDA functionality. Allow it to play games, allow it to syncronise with Windows easily. Would even allow it to be a GPS device (with bluetooth GPS).
Microsoft missed the chance to make Zune a lot more than just an MP3 device.
With Apple moving beyond MP3 players and creating a phone with mp3 capability, Microsoft could have been most of the way there already. |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| gilesjuk wrote: | | msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
Why would you need Inbox and Office Mobile in Zune?
Yes, fluid interface with smoothly moving windows and nice transitions - that's what Windows Mobile needs. |
It would make the Zune an mp3 with PDA functionality. Allow it to play games, allow it to syncronise with Windows easily. Would even allow it to be a GPS device (with bluetooth GPS).
Microsoft missed the chance to make Zune a lot more than just an MP3 device.
With Apple moving beyond MP3 players and creating a phone with mp3 capability, Microsoft could have been most of the way there already. |
While Apple has turned an music player into a phone, MS has turned a phone into a smart device (phone, computer, media player, etc.....) |
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wibbble
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | | While Apple has turned an music player into a phone, MS has turned a phone into a smart device (phone, computer, media player, etc.....) |
Windows Mobile/WinCE was used for 'smart devices' before it was used for phones - which is one of the reasons why Windows Mobile devices make for terrible phones.
The telephony is tacked onto a PDA, rather than the PDA functionality being tacked onto a phone (as it is with Nokias).
Personally, I've been using an HTC TyTN for three months now, and I'm getting to the point where I'm considering getting a second SIM card on the same account to put in a Nokie E65 I've got and use that for actually making phone calls, and save the TyTN for web, email, SMS, and SSH. (And playing the game with the coloured balls, which is possibly the best thing about the phone. ;o) )
I'm also not sure I'd say that the iPhone is telephony tacked onto an iPod - the interface is totally different to the iPod interface and brings over a lot of stuff from the main Mac OS X. It seems more like a particularly slick-looking PDA phone with iTunes on it. For me, though, with no SSH client built-in and no way to add one it's useless, and I'd want to see the quality of the telephony functionality before dropping money on it. |
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Verizy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| wibbble wrote: | The telephony is tacked onto a PDA, rather than the PDA functionality being tacked onto a phone (as it is with Nokias).
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This is why I prefer Smartphone over Pocket PC. I don't understand why Smartphone 6.0 is Standard and PPC Professional. There is nothing professional in PPC when the device is primarily a phone.
Nokia does not have a PDA phone or even a PDA layer over the OS (like UIQ). S60 should only be compared to WM Smartphone. The new E90 Communicator has S60, but that's more like a wide-screen Smartphone running on a very powerful hardware.
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wibbble
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| Verizy wrote: | | Nokia does not have a PDA phone or even a PDA layer over the OS (like UIQ). S60 should only be compared to WM Smartphone. The new E90 Communicator has S60, but that's more like a wide-screen Smartphone running on a very powerful hardware. |
Having used a UIQ handset as my primary phone for over a year, and working with S60 handsets every day, I wouldn't say that S60 was less 'PDA' like than UIQ, with the sole exception of no touch-screen support. (Which S90 has - you can see it in the Nokia 7710, for example.)
The Communicators (S80 and EPOC devices) show that you can have 'proper' PDA functionality without needing a touchscreen.
The E90 is a nice device, although I'm not sure how normal S60 software will adapt to the larger display. The built-in web browser seemed to use the full screen nicely, but that could easily be because Nokia adapted it for that purpose. Talking about the E90 is a bit premature, though, since I wouldn't expect to see one in the shops for months. |
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