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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: Cash for Windows Mobile developers! |
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We are proud to announce the grand opening of the store.msmobiles.com fabulous software
section! Windows Mobile developers are wanted!
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/6406.html |
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chucky.egg
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| That's nearly as good as Modaco.com's FairDeal (they give 80% to the developer) |
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bamse
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe, just maybe, you should have ensured to have at least one item to sell under each of the sections before advertising it in your news section?
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| chucky.egg wrote: | | That's nearly as good as Modaco.com's FairDeal (they give 80% to the developer) |
Modaco FairDeal is powered by Mobihand and in reality it is not 80% but less - something like 60%! A quote from MobiHand (notice "Net" adjective):
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MobiHand will pay to Content Provider 80% of Net Receipts
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And apart from that Mobihand is not offering reviews (even with YouTube video).
| bamse wrote: | | Maybe, just maybe, you should have ensured to have at least one item to sell under each of the sections before advertising it in your news section? |
Good idea but we wanted to announce it publicly so that developers could sign up. |
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Mysterious Stranger
Joined: 30 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]
Modaco FairDeal is powered by Mobihand and in reality it is not 80% but less - something like 60%! [/quote]
Do you bother researching or just post any made up cr@p that you can think of?
http://fairdeal.modaco.com/homeSoftware.asp
"Paying 80% of each sale to the developer! "
Paul O'brien has stated the reason they can pay 80% is they are lowering their own cut of the sale.
Still think you give the 'best rate on the market?'
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Mysterious Stranger wrote: |
"Paying 80% of each sale to the developer! "
Paul O'brien has stated the reason they can pay 80% is they are lowering their own cut of the sale.
Still think you give the 'best rate on the market?'
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yes, I still think so. Why? Paul can give "80% netto" what is THE SAME as mobihand is giving, a quote from mobihand:
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"Payments. MobiHand will pay to Content Provider 80% of Net Receipts
occurring at www.mobihand.com and 60% of Net Receipts at all other
channels."
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... what means that Paul actually gives up on 20% (that other Mobihand afiiliates are taking to themselvess) and is giving to developers 60%+20% = 80% but it is still 80% net (note: net!!!) what means that developer is NOT getting 80% of this what customer paid, but 80% of netto what usually amounts to 60% of this what customer paid.
Do you understand it now? |
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Mysterious Stranger
Joined: 30 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]
Do you understand it now?[/quote]
Seems pretty clear here:
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=231459
but just to clarify things:
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=233060
"Normally, as you noticed on our developer agreement, the MobiHand margin is 20% on MobiHand-owned sites, and 40% on our network sites. Through an agreement with MoDaCo, we are applying the 20% margin to their site.
To clarify, in terms of % of gross sales: [b]you will receive 80% of gross on sales at MobiHand-owned sites and MoDaCo's FairDeal store, [/b]and you will receive 60% of gross on sales at other MobiHand network sites. We take care of all transaction costs (e.g. credit card/ PayPal charges). "
Hmmmm, 80% of the gross eh? Kinda kicks your lame effort into touch. Now change the 'industry leading' stuff will ya? |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mysterious Stranger wrote: |
To clarify, in terms of % of gross sales: you will receive 80% of gross on sales at MobiHand-owned sites and MoDaCo's FairDeal store, and you will receive 60% of gross on sales at other MobiHand network sites. We take care of all transaction costs (e.g. credit card/ PayPal charges). "
Hmmmm, 80% of the gross eh? Kinda kicks your lame effort into touch. Now change the 'industry leading' stuff will ya? |
No! it doesn't matter what Modaco claims, because Mobihand says OFFICIALLY ON ITS OWN SITE clearly "MobiHand will pay to Content Provider 80% of Net Receipts". In other words: MobiHand cannot offer "80% of gross" just on Modaco because it offers "80% net" on their own site. Some unofficial forum postings cannot be compared with official information from the store itself - Mobihand. Also: Modaco actually doesn't know exactly whether it is 80% gross or 80% net because Modaco is not sellinig these programs but just displaying them for MobiHand. At msmobiles.com store we are not affiliate of anybody but we are offering this software directly.
Furthermore once software is listed on FairDeal Modaco it is also listed on Mobihand and several other Mobihand affiliates are taking 20% to themselves what means that developers in many cases are gettinig 60% Net then! |
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Mysterious Stranger
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]
No! it doesn't matter what Modaco claims, because Mobihand says OFFICIALLY ON ITS OWN SITE clearly "MobiHand will pay to Content Provider 80% of [b]Net[/b] Receipts". In other words: MobiHand cannot offer "80% of gross" just on Modaco because it offers "80% net" on their own site. Some unofficial forum postings cannot be compared with official information from the store itself - Mobihand. Also: Modaco actually doesn't know exactly whether it is 80% gross or 80% net because Modaco is not sellinig these programs but just displaying them for MobiHand. At msmobiles.com store we are not affiliate of anybody but we are offering this software directly.
Furthermore once software is listed on FairDeal Modaco it is also listed on Mobihand and several other Mobihand affiliates are taking 20% to themselves what means that developers in many cases are gettinig 60% Net then![/quote]
If you follow the link and read the quote, the quote is actually from mobihand support posted by a developer ( pocketTVteam) who asked them the question...
So basically everyone including mobihand is wrong, or else is lying and you're right eh? If they say it's 80% gross why oh why do you persist in saying it's 'netto'?
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p.s why do you keep mentioning netto? Do you sell software in their cheap supermarkets?..... |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mysterious Stranger wrote: |
So basically everyone including mobihand is wrong, or else is lying and you're right eh? If they say it's 80% gross why oh why do you persist in saying it's 'netto'?
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MobiHand offers 80% Net, not Gross as you can read here, a quote:
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Payments. MobiHand will pay to Content Provider 80% of Net Receipts occurring at www.mobihand.com and 60% of Net Receipts at all other channels.
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Modaco FairDeal is just an affiliate of MobiHand and some unofficial, possibly outdated, forum posts cannot replace official and binding terms of service! |
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Mysterious Stranger
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="msmobiles.com_wiseacre"]
Modaco FairDeal is just an affiliate of MobiHand and some unofficial, possibly outdated, forum posts cannot replace official and binding terms of service![/quote]
Do those 'outdated forum posts' include the post from the originator of modaco fairdeal then? Cos I seem to remember seeing him state 'yes that's correct' in one of the links above.... |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mysterious Stranger wrote: |
Do those 'outdated forum posts' include the post from the originator of modaco fairdeal then? Cos I seem to remember seeing him state 'yes that's correct' in one of the links above.... |
Paul who is originator of modaco fairdeal IS NOT PAYING OUT MONEY TO DEVELOPERS but Mobihand is doing it and Mobihand in their official terms state "80% net". Even if acting in good will Paul cannot speak bindingly for company that he doesn't own (MobiHand) and he doesn't operate.
MobiHand is paying to developers and not Modaco and Mobihand in their terms of service claims "80% net". Please provide link to MOBIHAND'S official (and not some unbinding forum posts) webpage that states "80% gross" or otherwise please STOP flaming here. Flames will not be accepted any more in this thread, but links to official information will be. |
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veletron
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I'm with msmobiles here - random forum posts (no matter who they come from) can never replace official terms and conditions.
If the terms and conditions have changed then Modaco etc should update their website.
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