msmobiles.com/f Forum Index msmobiles.com/f
dicussions about Microsoft Smartphone and Pocket PC phone
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


Editorial: Palm's New Foleo - Windows Mobile Smartphone Companion

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    msmobiles.com/f Forum Index -> Discussion of mobile Windows news items
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
msmobiles.com_robot



Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Posts: 16777215

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Editorial: Palm's New Foleo - Windows Mobile Smartphone Companion Reply with quote

Editorial by John Andrews.

My first impression of the new Palm Foleo Mobile Companion wasn't positive because the “big new product announcement” wasn’t what I had expected. I was thinking we might receive a new...

Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/6410.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
NiTeSHiFT



Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 20

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: I would buy one probably Reply with quote

Hi,

first of all, nice thoughts. I use a Palm Treo 750 on o2 Germany Network with some sort of "surf-flatrate". I also use the MultiCard option and another device, namely the HTC Universal (MDA Pro called at T-Mobile Germany).

I use the Treo for phoning, quick answering of emails, calendaring and looking up what I have to do. The only reason I still have my Universal is because it has a 640x480 screen and I can surf with it and type larger emails and everything I did when I have been to my customers (I'm self-employed in the IT-sector).

So the Companion would actually replace my Universal with a device with larger screen and larger keyboard. And for surfing the Web at home or answering emails, or perhaps even a little chatting in ICQ (if a program will come out for the platform, but I'm sure it will), it would be great.

Oh and another thing I could think about is eBook-Reading Smile I have my eBooks on my server and can access them over WLAN. That would be GREAT Smile

Great device I think Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JonesJ



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Completely Pointless Reply with quote

Foleop.

For less money you can get far more functional and flexible devices with better software support.

eg. http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7500.htm

I would love to be proved wrong here, but this is clearly a dud before it even gets on the shelves, shame on you Palm.
_________________
Jonesy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
NiTeSHiFT



Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 20

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Completely Pointless Reply with quote

JonesJ wrote:

eg. http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7500.htm


Well, I have this one:

http://www.europe.htc.com/products/qtek9000.html

and the HTC 7500 costs about 1100$ (about 900 EUR here in Germany), so it's not the same price and you will get only a device with 640x480 and a crappy keyboard. the one from my QTEK 9000 is much better than the one from 7500. So I think it's a good Idea with the new product. At least nothing compareable exists.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
EJR



Joined: 18 Mar 2004
Posts: 2629

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Completely Pointless Reply with quote

NiTeSHiFT wrote:
you will get only a device with 640x480 and a crappy keyboard.


I agree! Furthermore I wonder why HTC annot put VGA displays to small Pocket PC phones?

Clearly Foleo will find many fans, particularly in reality there is a lot of people who do on their computers just 2 things: writing emails and Internet browsing - things that Foleo can do well.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
JAndrews



Joined: 31 May 2007
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you listen to the webcasts by Jeff Hawkins and the other Palm executives, it's clear that they see this as a extension to your smartphone, not a replacement for your laptop.

Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop. It is a larger keyboard and display for your smartphone, primarily focused on email, document viewing and editing, web browsing and PowerPoint presentations.

Anyting it does beyond that is a bonus.

Is it worth $500? For some mobile executives, I'm sure the answer is yes. But for people that want the full power and flexibility of a laptop, the answer is no and they should get a laptop.

UMPC devices like those mentioned from HTC are very cool, but they are really intended to REPLACE your laptop and/or smartphone rather than complement them. And as a result, they suffer from the same issues and compromises as smartphones...keyboards and displays that are too small or a device that is too large to fit in your pocket.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eufreka



Joined: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: well, in america... Reply with quote

$500 will buy you an ACTUAL windows laptop...so I cannot for the life of me figure out the pricing calculation!?!?!!?

Heck a OLPC laptop is only what $150 or so...

Compare the specs between that and a foleo...

After all, a UMPC costs $1000, but the money is going for windows full client licensing, touchscreen versus display (same size), 512 or more RAM, 40/60/80 gig Harddrive, etc., etc., etc....

A reasonable price for this device is $100-$150...then it would ROCK the market...you "invest" your own additional internal/external memory, third-party apps, etc.

We are deeply involved in testing SSL-VPN based network access (internal AND external) connecting to assigned virtual PCs for "heavy client" work...thus all we use on the desktop...or the coffee shop...are "browser" devices...but then we started out with $500 beige box CPUs, and moved to $600 laptops, which are now just browsers in most cases...

If Palm knew what they were doing, they would promote the foleo as the ultimate EXECUTIVE network device for use at home, at work, on the plane, etc. with FULL connectivity to a corporate virtual "heavy" client running 24 hours a day in the corp data center.

But again, there is a pricing problem...

(In reality, if Microsoft needs to reverse it's thinking: it should give away a license for such a device with every virtual PC license purchased...then mass produce the hardware themselves...)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
eufreka



Joined: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAndrews wrote:
....not a replacement for your laptop....

Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop.....

Is it worth $500? For some mobile executives, I'm sure the answer is yes. But for people that want the full power and flexibility of a laptop, the answer is no and they should get a laptop.


You are behind the curve...smartphones have replaced cell phones and PDAs...laptops have replaced desktop CPUs...

And people are looking for a replacement for their laptops!

The ideal device really is a lowpower thin client ultraportable device with builtin wifi--4G wimax or cellular--that supports VOIP...then you will have replaced your cellphone/pda/laptop with a single portable device...how will it meet your computing needs? By having 24/7 mobile access (browser-based) to one or more virtual PC heavy clients(work/home/etc).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JAndrews



Joined: 31 May 2007
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eufreka wrote:

And people are looking for a replacement for their laptops!

The ideal device really is a lowpower thin client ultraportable device with builtin wifi--4G wimax or cellular--that supports VOIP...then you will have replaced your cellphone/pda/laptop with a single portable device...how will it meet your computing needs? By having 24/7 mobile access (browser-based) to one or more virtual PC heavy clients(work/home/etc).


You describe in interesting device, but if it can do all of those things and fit in my pocket then the screen and keyboard will be too small to be useful for anything that requires displaying and/or entering text.

And if the screen and keyboard are large enough to be useful for serious web browsing and email writing, then it is too large for me to carry around in my pocket.

So while that might be the ideal device for you, it isn't for me.

The Foleo is a response to the reality that there is no such thing as a single device that can do everything in an ideal manner. By creating the Foleo, Palm is now free to explore new form factors for their Treo line (smaller and w/o keyboards) while the combined solution of Treo and Foleo allow you to do almost everything that executives need to do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kupe



Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 513

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAndrews wrote:
Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop.

1. This is not a laptop - it's way too underpowered to be called one.
2. This is not a laptop - real laptops can run videos as well as do email and surf the web.
3. This is not a laptop - laptops are much better than one-trick ponies.

Thanks - that helped clarify a lot.

Nice of you to join us here JAndrews. Like many of your fellow Palm employees, I see you have decided to come join yet another mobile device forum just as the big (over-hyped - under-delivered) Palm announcement is being made, and then stand out as a zealotry-filled proselytizer for a poorly-conceived, been there/done that, mediocre device. Sorry, your company's anonymous guerrilla buzz campaign isn't convincing very many (future former) Palm fans. Cool
_________________
good titles are misleading!
-- msmobiles.com_wiseacre
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    msmobiles.com/f Forum Index -> Discussion of mobile Windows news items All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


please ask us questions - leave them at our Skype Voicemail! Answers: in Podcasts!
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
Windows Mobile news | Mobius