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msmobiles.com_robot
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 16777215
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Editorial: Palm's New Foleo - Windows Mobile Smartphone Companion |
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Editorial by John Andrews.
My first impression of the new Palm Foleo Mobile Companion wasn't positive because the “big new product announcement” wasn’t what I had expected. I was thinking we might receive a new...
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NiTeSHiFT
Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 20
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: I would buy one probably |
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Hi,
first of all, nice thoughts. I use a Palm Treo 750 on o2 Germany Network with some sort of "surf-flatrate". I also use the MultiCard option and another device, namely the HTC Universal (MDA Pro called at T-Mobile Germany).
I use the Treo for phoning, quick answering of emails, calendaring and looking up what I have to do. The only reason I still have my Universal is because it has a 640x480 screen and I can surf with it and type larger emails and everything I did when I have been to my customers (I'm self-employed in the IT-sector).
So the Companion would actually replace my Universal with a device with larger screen and larger keyboard. And for surfing the Web at home or answering emails, or perhaps even a little chatting in ICQ (if a program will come out for the platform, but I'm sure it will), it would be great.
Oh and another thing I could think about is eBook-Reading I have my eBooks on my server and can access them over WLAN. That would be GREAT
Great device I think  |
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JonesJ
Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Completely Pointless |
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Foleop.
For less money you can get far more functional and flexible devices with better software support.
eg. http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7500.htm
I would love to be proved wrong here, but this is clearly a dud before it even gets on the shelves, shame on you Palm. _________________ Jonesy |
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NiTeSHiFT
Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 20
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Completely Pointless |
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Well, I have this one:
http://www.europe.htc.com/products/qtek9000.html
and the HTC 7500 costs about 1100$ (about 900 EUR here in Germany), so it's not the same price and you will get only a device with 640x480 and a crappy keyboard. the one from my QTEK 9000 is much better than the one from 7500. So I think it's a good Idea with the new product. At least nothing compareable exists. |
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EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Completely Pointless |
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| NiTeSHiFT wrote: | | you will get only a device with 640x480 and a crappy keyboard. |
I agree! Furthermore I wonder why HTC annot put VGA displays to small Pocket PC phones?
Clearly Foleo will find many fans, particularly in reality there is a lot of people who do on their computers just 2 things: writing emails and Internet browsing - things that Foleo can do well. |
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JAndrews
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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If you listen to the webcasts by Jeff Hawkins and the other Palm executives, it's clear that they see this as a extension to your smartphone, not a replacement for your laptop.
Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop. It is a larger keyboard and display for your smartphone, primarily focused on email, document viewing and editing, web browsing and PowerPoint presentations.
Anyting it does beyond that is a bonus.
Is it worth $500? For some mobile executives, I'm sure the answer is yes. But for people that want the full power and flexibility of a laptop, the answer is no and they should get a laptop.
UMPC devices like those mentioned from HTC are very cool, but they are really intended to REPLACE your laptop and/or smartphone rather than complement them. And as a result, they suffer from the same issues and compromises as smartphones...keyboards and displays that are too small or a device that is too large to fit in your pocket. |
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eufreka
Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: well, in america... |
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$500 will buy you an ACTUAL windows laptop...so I cannot for the life of me figure out the pricing calculation!?!?!!?
Heck a OLPC laptop is only what $150 or so...
Compare the specs between that and a foleo...
After all, a UMPC costs $1000, but the money is going for windows full client licensing, touchscreen versus display (same size), 512 or more RAM, 40/60/80 gig Harddrive, etc., etc., etc....
A reasonable price for this device is $100-$150...then it would ROCK the market...you "invest" your own additional internal/external memory, third-party apps, etc.
We are deeply involved in testing SSL-VPN based network access (internal AND external) connecting to assigned virtual PCs for "heavy client" work...thus all we use on the desktop...or the coffee shop...are "browser" devices...but then we started out with $500 beige box CPUs, and moved to $600 laptops, which are now just browsers in most cases...
If Palm knew what they were doing, they would promote the foleo as the ultimate EXECUTIVE network device for use at home, at work, on the plane, etc. with FULL connectivity to a corporate virtual "heavy" client running 24 hours a day in the corp data center.
But again, there is a pricing problem...
(In reality, if Microsoft needs to reverse it's thinking: it should give away a license for such a device with every virtual PC license purchased...then mass produce the hardware themselves...) |
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eufreka
Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| JAndrews wrote: | ....not a replacement for your laptop....
Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop.....
Is it worth $500? For some mobile executives, I'm sure the answer is yes. But for people that want the full power and flexibility of a laptop, the answer is no and they should get a laptop. |
You are behind the curve...smartphones have replaced cell phones and PDAs...laptops have replaced desktop CPUs...
And people are looking for a replacement for their laptops!
The ideal device really is a lowpower thin client ultraportable device with builtin wifi--4G wimax or cellular--that supports VOIP...then you will have replaced your cellphone/pda/laptop with a single portable device...how will it meet your computing needs? By having 24/7 mobile access (browser-based) to one or more virtual PC heavy clients(work/home/etc). |
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JAndrews
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| eufreka wrote: |
And people are looking for a replacement for their laptops!
The ideal device really is a lowpower thin client ultraportable device with builtin wifi--4G wimax or cellular--that supports VOIP...then you will have replaced your cellphone/pda/laptop with a single portable device...how will it meet your computing needs? By having 24/7 mobile access (browser-based) to one or more virtual PC heavy clients(work/home/etc). |
You describe in interesting device, but if it can do all of those things and fit in my pocket then the screen and keyboard will be too small to be useful for anything that requires displaying and/or entering text.
And if the screen and keyboard are large enough to be useful for serious web browsing and email writing, then it is too large for me to carry around in my pocket.
So while that might be the ideal device for you, it isn't for me.
The Foleo is a response to the reality that there is no such thing as a single device that can do everything in an ideal manner. By creating the Foleo, Palm is now free to explore new form factors for their Treo line (smaller and w/o keyboards) while the combined solution of Treo and Foleo allow you to do almost everything that executives need to do. |
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kupe
Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 513
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| JAndrews wrote: | | Repeate 3 times: This is not a laptop. |
1. This is not a laptop - it's way too underpowered to be called one.
2. This is not a laptop - real laptops can run videos as well as do email and surf the web.
3. This is not a laptop - laptops are much better than one-trick ponies.
Thanks - that helped clarify a lot.
Nice of you to join us here JAndrews. Like many of your fellow Palm employees, I see you have decided to come join yet another mobile device forum just as the big (over-hyped - under-delivered) Palm announcement is being made, and then stand out as a zealotry-filled proselytizer for a poorly-conceived, been there/done that, mediocre device. Sorry, your company's anonymous guerrilla buzz campaign isn't convincing very many (future former) Palm fans.  _________________ good titles are misleading!
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