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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: HTC TouchFLO Reloaded: John Wang, boss of MAGIC Labs at HTC, demonstrates new features ! |
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John Wang from HTC is a boss of MAGIC Labs division of HTC where TouchFLO technology has been developed and which is working on other technologies that are being used in HTC phones. During HTC press event at Ken...
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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its laughable you mention the word innovating with this. Tell me what exactly is innovative or new here?
There is nothing original or innovative here at all. Zooming in and rotating gestures are on the iphone and clearly its apple who have been the innovators with touch screen user interfaces on mobile devices. All HTC are doing is drip feeding a slightly modifed version of an iphone interface which is no bad thing. Though how you can claim they are innovators of this, its is laughable. The only thing new I can see is the cube on the HTC touch which is a nice but again nothing more, and clearly an idea ripped of the linux 3d windows managers, such as Beryl, Compiz, And Metisse. After showing it to several of my colleagues its the first thing they mentioned. In Metisse its even called the "3D cube".
HTC are now drip feeding us touch screen UI's not because of their innovation and lets face it they have been making windows mobile fones for a while expecting us to us a stylus, but as a result of apples first attempt the iphone.
Maybe they should not only copy iphones gestures to a degree but begin innovating, for an example such as allowing you to create your own gestures which you can configure to say call a particular person or launch a program. Much like gesture shortcuts.
but sorry no they are still only on the innovative zoom in and rotate stage. Catch yourself on HTC and Microsoft, sure take the best bits of other mobile platforms who doesn't, though how about some of your own innovative stuff. I am sure someone in there has one new idea swimming round their head. |
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indiekiduk
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Those slow cheesy graphics effects are all you are gonna get on the Windows OS just look at that delay after he drags over the picture. The iPhone with its GPU and instant response to touch and how your finger just glides around the UI puts it in a different class. Some cheesy immitation software isn't gonna make any windows mobile phone good, give up the cheese HTC.
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Squuiid
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Plus, apparently this damn thing doesn't even have WiFi. WTF!  |
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willgill
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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The delay is obviously programmed that way. Did you see how consistent it was? No, it doesn't have WiFi. In the US, no WiFi isn't that big of deal. What boggles my mind is how how the iphone gets by without 3G. I've used EDGE, it sucks.
Touch Flo innovative? Ok, maybe not so much, but the point is putting it all together. Yes, 3D cubes were used to show multiple screens before Touch Flo. Yes, gesture recognition was on cellphones before HTC and yes... even before the iphone. This "who came first" stuff has got to stop. It's all about what works for people.
HTC sees the obvious need to make Windows Mobile 6's GUI more usable. WM6 phones have hardware features and software capabilities that leave all other phones in the dust. Why not take all that power and harness it in a friendly way? |
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Squuiid
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Funnily enough, I actively DISABLE 3G on my HTC Hermes and use EDGE only. Using MS Push, I get less than a day using 3G. Totally useless.
This is the exact reason Apple did not go with 3G.
Battery life of 3G chipsets is awful.
I think a new low power 3G chipset is due to be released very soon, but is not yet here.
Doesn't take a genius buddy. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: | its laughable you mention the word innovating with this. Tell me what exactly is innovative or new here?
There is nothing original or innovative here at all. Zooming in and rotating gestures are on the iphone and clearly its apple who have been the innovators with touch screen user interfaces on mobile devices. |
It is innovative that HTC is doing it in Windows Mobile world - and thanks to this HTC is moving forward Windows Mobile phones. If somebody has used HTC Touch then one can understand how comfortable and natural for example finger scrolling is.
The idea of zooming-in on detail with gestures on touch-screen is not invention of Apple and was used for example in Microsoft Surface before iPhone even was released.
The innovation is that HTC is releasing this advanced touch-screen technology in combination with OPEN operating system, i.e. such that can run 3rd party applications and that HTC is doing it in Windows Mobile world. So the combination of things is the innovation.
Yes, the HTC ToucFLO version 2, i.e. extended, is an innovation indeed. |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Great to see HTC add values on top of the WM platform instead of just being another WM phone manufacturers. I like the whole TouchFLO experience and hope that it would be continously improved and expanded to other HTC phones. Way to go!!! |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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This is the real reason why windows mobile lags behind platforms such as symbian. The yes men syndrome.
| Quote: | | The idea of zooming-in on detail with gestures on touch-screen is not invention of Apple and was used for example in Microsoft Surface before iPhone even was released. |
iPhone is the first example on a mobile device. The NYU Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences are an example of touch screen innovation. See http://www.perceptivepixel.com/ for an example of this innovation. Touch screens have been around a long time and again theres nothing new or inovative in Microsoft surface.
The fact that you are trying to justify this as innovation simply because its on windows mobile for the first time is weak. Clearly there is nothing here thats not on the iphone and since HTC have been producing windows mobile devices for a long time now without going down this route until the iphone was announced means its likely without the iphone windows mobile users would still be using a stylus for everything.
Apple with the iphone have revolutionised the mobile fone user interface and HTC touch is a cut down limited version of that. Infact the only time even the gestures change is because HTC don't have multi touch so have too change multi touch gestures to more complex gestures such as a circle for zoom, and a almost half circle for rotate.
Even John Wang has a few problems with this as in the video at one point while demostrating rotating he accidently goes to the next picture.
Tell me what new ideas have HTC come up with that they have put into HTC Touch. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: |
Tell me what new ideas have HTC come up with that they have put into HTC Touch. |
Listen, I am just glad that somebody - HTC - is innovating beyond standard Windows Mobile. Adding new features = innovating. As I said before all these zooming gestures were used before Apple released iPhone - in touch-screen for industrial applications. Innovation is putting it all together in new setting.
So I don't care how "original" given innovations are, what counts is that HTC is adding new features to Windows Mobile phones. This is VERY GOOD for users. |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Can we just ignore the comment who comes first? To me as a consumer what I really care is the value of the product that I have paid for. If I pay for a high end phone and I want a great experience in using the phone. And in this respect, the HTC delivers.
BTW, the Apple fans are very reglious, as they should be. So it is pointless to try to argue as when it comes to religion, it is irrational and at times hostile.  |
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Physboy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Apple has not innovated ANYTHING. Prada was developed and came to market BEFORE the iPhone. In addition, the Touch came to market BEFORE the iPhone as well. There is nothing so great about iPhone at all, it is a closed platform, dumb terminal system. WM is an open platform powerhouse with the ability to customize to any individuals desires, and HTC keeps pushing that envelope so that we as consumers can take advantage of that customizability.
There are plenty of 3rd party apps that can be run on the WM platform to give any user a great user experience. You can not say that about the iPhone, because as it is supported by Apple, it is nothing more than a closed platform, dumb terminal that is also locked to a given carrier (oh, did I mention is has no GPS, 3G, Video, Stereo BT, etc...).
It would be nice if people would quit being delusional and continuously making categorical errors by trying to compare the WM devices to iPhone.
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kieranEire
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| Quote: | | Apple has not innovated ANYTHING. Prada was developed and came to market BEFORE the iPhone. |
LG only unvielded the Prada in January this year the iPhone was demonstrated by Steve Jobs at the annual Macworld Expo in San Francisco before the 9th of January. The Prada only came to market a few months before the iPhone though clearly the iPhone was in development long before the prada, after all it is a much more complex device.
To somehow claim the prada UI us anything like the iPhone because its got a touch screen is like comparing a basic fone to the Kaiser because they both have keys. The prada does not even have gestures and the UI is clearly nothing like the iPhone or HTC touch.
| Quote: | | There is nothing so great about iPhone at all, it is a closed platform, dumb terminal system. |
What you mean its crap because apple only allow apple partners to develop stand alone apps for it. The iPhone is not a windows mobile competitor, its clearly aimed at current ipod owners who just want fone and other multimedia features. Look at how its marketed, looking to upgrade your iPod for the same price you can get the iPhone on a phone contract. Though I remeber Microsoft and Orange trying such schemes with application signing int he early smartphone 2002.
Just as the prada again aims at a different market the trendy female professional woman.
It is possible to develop web and javascript applications to run on the iPhone so its not totally closed.
"Wanna write for apps for the iPhone? Make them web apps that work on Safari. Done."
Steve Jobs
Many people think this is very forward thinking and some even makes sense. HTML and Javascript. Tens of millions of developers already know it. Instant developer uptake and an instant batch of apps that likely already work with the iPhone. They offer extensions for dealing with custom iPhone effects.
| Quote: | | There are plenty of 3rd party apps that can be run on the WM platform to give any user a great user experience. |
As there are for the iPhone see for an example of those available in the UK. http://iphoneapps.co.uk
| Quote: | | it is nothing more than a closed platform, dumb terminal that is also locked to a given carrier |
First its possible to unlock the iPhone and most windows mobiles in the UK are also locked to a carrier if you get them on contract. If the iPhone is so bad then why are HTC drip feeding us their user inteface. The iPhone is a fantastic device if you want a media device with phone.
| Quote: | | There are plenty of 3rd party apps that can be run on the WM platform to give any user a great user experience. You can not say that about the iPhone, because as it is supported by Apple, it is nothing more than a closed platform, dumb terminal that is also locked to a given carrier (oh, did I mention is has no GPS, 3G, Video, Stereo BT, etc...). |
| Quote: | | It would be nice if people would quit being delusional and continuously making categorical errors by trying to compare the WM devices to iPhone. |
looks to me that your the one doing the comparisons.
Again to sum up HTC Touch is not innovative at all, its a clear limited implementation of the iPhone. If the iPhone did not release I doubt HTC touch would either.
Its clear Microsoft and HTC are not innovating at all and clearly the original article that claims HTC are innovating is wrong when they are clearly simply copying the iPhones interface. |
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Pagemakers
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it is good to see that HTC are adding extras to WM but I wish they would stop shouting about TouchFlo.
I am not an apple maniac (only got an iPod) but for the life of me TouchFlo is a million miles behind the touch technology in the iPhone.
Frankly I find the You Tube video laughable. It's clumsy and unresponsive. Worse still once you are past the few TouchFlo screens you are back fiddling with tiny icons and buttons with a stylus.
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Do it properly or don't do it at all. |
If that is the case, then nothing should be done by any company in the world. What everyone should aim for is continuous improvement. Hence we see newer version of software and hardware come up every now and then.
I feel that when we make comments like this on others, perhaps we should take the comment upon ourselves first. No offence. |
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