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msmobiles.com_robot
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It is one thing when Microsoft MVPs (i.e. people sponsored by Microsoft - usually without disclosure on their websites - with free MSDN subscription worth 2-3 thousand dollars, and free intercontinental flights to M...
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Kaskadura
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, ok, thatīs their point of view.
But, it doesnīt mean that some product is better than other. Itīs just their opinion. I donīt recognize them as an authority on the subject. |
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JNGold
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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The Windows Mobile community is reaching for anything it can get right now.
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BrianC
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I think people are just giving iPhone all the publicity (as if it still needed any) by constantly comparing their phones with iPhone. And the comparison are really pointless. If you like one platform, you would dig up all the good features and ignore all the bad or lacking features.
For me, I like my WM6 JASJAM and wouldn't bother looking at iPhone. I do hope though HTC would bring in more entertainment features in their future phones like the support of mobile TV (DVB-T and DVB-H), some business function like VGA screen, and XGA output. Combined that with everything there is in TyTN II and that would be my perfect mobile companion.
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netboy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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WHEN are you kids going to realize iPhone is just a toy!
on my pdaPhone, i can remote turn on home computer!
bluetooth tether to my laptop!
use GPS navigation!
can iPhone does that? haha |
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JNGold
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| netboy wrote: | WHEN are you kids going to realize iPhone is just a toy!
on my pdaPhone, i can remote turn on home computer!
bluetooth tether to my laptop!
use GPS navigation!
can iPhone does that? haha |
Iphone 2 will change all that. Nuff said. The iPhone 2 might just be the device to lure me away from the WM platform after 8 years of a love/hate relationship.
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virain
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| JNGold wrote: | | netboy wrote: | WHEN are you kids going to realize iPhone is just a toy!
on my pdaPhone, i can remote turn on home computer!
bluetooth tether to my laptop!
use GPS navigation!
can iPhone does that? haha |
Iphone 2 will change all that. Nuff said. The iPhone 2 might just be the device to lure me away from the WM platform after 8 years of a love/hate relationship. |
Didn't you try iPhone Beta 2? all it does is adds Microsoft Exchange and fixes few bugs from previous version. According to financial press it may have 3G and GPS, so it will come little closer to WM functionality. But it is still Music player with Browser and phone functions. It is called "smartphone" only because of cute interface. IMHO iPhone is like a hot young blond model it's fun to take her out fool around with her for a little bit, while WM is like that brunnet, maybe is not that hot and your age, may be cranky sometimes, but is good at work, at the kitchen and in bed. The girl you would rather marry 
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JNGold
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| virain wrote: | | JNGold wrote: | | netboy wrote: | WHEN are you kids going to realize iPhone is just a toy!
on my pdaPhone, i can remote turn on home computer!
bluetooth tether to my laptop!
use GPS navigation!
can iPhone does that? haha |
Iphone 2 will change all that. Nuff said. The iPhone 2 might just be the device to lure me away from the WM platform after 8 years of a love/hate relationship. |
Didn't you try iPhone Beta 2? all it does is adds Microsoft Exchange and fixes few bugs from previous version. According to financial press it may have 3G and GPS, so it will come little closer to WM functionality. But it is still Music player with Browser and phone functions. It is called "smartphone" only because of cute interface. IMHO iPhone is like a hot young blond model it's fun to take her out fool around with her for a little bit, while WM is like that brunnet, maybe is not that hot and your age, but is good at work, at the kitchen and in bed. The girl you would rather marry |
You forgot about 3 party applications. In addition to a phones' feature set, the application suite available is important. Major software houses are working on apps for the iPhone. What apps are available is important to me. One of the reasons I didn't dump WM this time (went with a Cruise) is that the N95 which is a superior multimedia device to WM, didn't have the apps I need. That won't be the case with the iPhone as I know the apps I need are already being developed.
Your analogy of WM isn't the greatest. Over my 8 years of using WM, do you know how many times I have needed to do something quickly and have had to wait or even worse, soft reset just to do something? Everyone likes to talk about how much WM can do but very few talk about how sluggish or unstable the platform really is.
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virain
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yes 3d party apps are important, and this is my take on it:
Taking in to account quality of apps, at this point WM light years ahead. I did try iPhone 3 party apps, they are PG13 so to speak, very simple, childish.
Then again, how do you manage resources of you device? Are you trying to run 7-10 apss at the same time? Forgive me, but even id you run that many apps on your desktop, performance will be sluggish. Soft reset? Yes, I do it onece a day, in the morning. It became a part of my daily routine, like brushing teeth. So there's no problem here. So I would wait and see how iPhone will perform under the weight of 3rd partry apps, and I mead real apps, not that childish stuff available right now. My almost 3 y.o. Mio A701, still performes great, I don't remember when I had a crash on this device. The secret is to use it the way it meant to be used and do not expect from it to do a loptop PC job. I mean you wouldn't try to run Photoshop on iPhone would you? Oh, Right! You can't draw on it, touch screen doesn't recognize a stylus! BTW, interesting article here:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/04/a-stranger-in-a-strange-land-a-windows-mobile-guy-meets-iphone/ |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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The iphone can do anything the windows mobile platform can do. I have mine syncing wirelessly.
The real problem with windows mobile is Microsofts lack of interest and HTC's lack of caring about its customers. Apple have already released 4 updates for the iphone while HTC have released none for the tytn ii, its well documented about its driver issues and HTCs lack of tackling the issue.
The fact that windows mobile forums and customers are constantly comparing their devices to the iphone or trying to produce third party apps to copy iphone functionality say it all.
User experience and expections on the iphone blows windows mobile, symbian and blackberry out of the water. As a previous poster says its ok because its routine for him to reset his phone every morning, sorry my expectations are higher for a high end expensive device and windows mobile user experience is pokey and awkward certainly when compared to the slick iphone. |
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netboy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: |
User experience and expections on the iphone blows windows mobile, symbian and blackberry out of the water. As a previous poster says its ok because its routine for him to reset his phone every morning, sorry my expectations are higher for a high end expensive device and windows mobile user experience is pokey and awkward certainly when compared to the slick iphone. |
like i said, iphone is just a toy! of course u never need to reset the iphone cus it DOES NOT do much! (please tell me all the great things iphone can do?)
my 10 years old "digital watch" never need to reset either! cus it' DOES NOT do much! haha |
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JNGold
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| netboy wrote: | | kieranEire wrote: |
User experience and expections on the iphone blows windows mobile, symbian and blackberry out of the water. As a previous poster says its ok because its routine for him to reset his phone every morning, sorry my expectations are higher for a high end expensive device and windows mobile user experience is pokey and awkward certainly when compared to the slick iphone. |
like i said, iphone is just a toy! of course u never need to reset the iphone cus it DOES NOT do much! (please tell me all the great things iphone can do?)
my 10 years old "digital watch" never need to reset either! cus it' DOES NOT do much! haha |
And when the iPhone 2 comes out and does 3G, Exchange Sync, Stereo BT, Possibly GPS (not every WM phone has GPS), and 3rd party apps, with a great and fluid interface, what will you have to say then?
Not much. The only thing you can say is "oh...WM multitasks", but as Virain so eloquently mentions..."you can't run it like a laptop." But guess what? The iPhone can multitask, Apple is just not letting the first gen of 3rd party apps do it. Perhaps this is to keep the platform as stable as it is now.
| Quote: | | my 10 years old "digital watch" never need to reset either! cus it' DOES NOT do much! haha |
Want to know why you never had to reset it? Because it does what it is supposed to do...tell time and that's it. Unlike WM devices that try to be jack-of-all-trades, master of none. With the exception of Exchange server, there's nothing that WM does exceedingly well over other platforms. Nokia's s60 OS multitasks just as well as WM devices and has better multimedia capability, the iPhone interface makes WM look like a joke and it's very smooth, Palm Centro's sell because they're so cheap.
Oh....what will the WM fanboys say when the iPhone has all this capability? As usual my next device will be one that satisfies my needs from a mobile device. In the past, no platform (IMHO) came as close as WM did. The playing field has changed.
The plain fact of the matter is you should be thanking Apple for lighting the fire under M$ arse. For too long M$ shoved mediocrity down the throats of people in a division even M$ has stated in the past never really meant that much to them. Now, because of Apple, M$ is scrambling to catch up. M$ really doesn't innovate when it comes to Windows Mobile. Microsoft better when it comes to Photon in order to compete with Apple at least in the consumer market. In the USA, the iPhone in less than a year has surpassed WM devices sold. Nuff said. Ha Ha!
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kieranEire
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| Quote: | like i said, iphone is just a toy! of course u never need to reset the iphone cus it DOES NOT do much! (please tell me all the great things iphone can do?)
my 10 years old "digital watch" never need to reset either! cus it' DOES NOT do much! haha |
My iphone does everthing I need it to do. That is syncing wirelessly with an exchange email server. I also have push email on it. I can play video at a decent framerate without having to re-encode it as the largest windows mobile device manufacturer cannot even be bother to include graphics drivers. Of course yes it handles phone calls quite well. Of course there is the internet browsing which puts all the current browsers on windows mobile in the shade, yes that includes netfront, opera 9.5 etc. I can remote desktop, set up my TalkPlus account so if someone rings my talkplus account my mobile, home and work phones all ring. Its a myth that the iphone is just a phone and an ipod combined. All it lacks that I would like is on board GPS. While it does lack 3.5g connections its wifi has a vastly greater range than the tytn ii. The speaker quality again is superior to the poorly position tytn ii. The user experience of the iphone is vastly superior to any windows mobile device. |
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rassah
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: dejavu |
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| All this reminds me of an old fanboy argument over consoles between SEGA and Sony fans. Dreamcast (in this case WM fans) were praising how great the system is, and how well it runs and how much it does compared to Playstation 1 (current iPhone), while Sony fans were saying that Playstation 2, which would be out a year from when DC was released, will be SO MUCH BETTER and will do all the things Dreamcast does and better, because Sony said so. (Honestly, Dreamcast was a much better system all around, but sadly SEGA couldn't afford to support it and screwed up too much with the previous Saturn.) That same argument being used here with WM and iPhone is stupid. iPhone 2 is promises and speculation. It's not out yet, and by the time it is out, WM would progress beyond it (doubtfull) or the things promised won't really be all that great (most likely). Right now, WM is a business device, iPhone is a toy with a fancy interface. Don't bash WM with promises of what future iPhones can do. And frankly there's no point in comparing the two. It's like comparing a swiss army knife to a fancy silver breadknife. They are only slightly related. |
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rassah
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P.S. I *might* consider switching to an iPhone when it can do the following:
Create and edit excel sheets from information I copy/paste from a website, while at the same time listen to music in the background (I'm in accounting and finance, so need the business apps).
Play MP3s or stream web music in the background while running a descent GPS navigation software (Google Maps is crap for GPS navigation. I use TomTom), and using a second GPS software in the background to track and log my position online.
Play my Windows Media Center recorded TV shows which automatically get compressed to my phone screen size (built in feature on Win MCE and WM. Don't know if iPhone and Mac has anything like that)
And all this while running an IM client (AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo) in the background.
I guess what I'm saying is that until iPhone gets serious business apps, better support for text editing and manipulation, and is able to multitask, it'll be just a fancy phone. Oh, and it's true that iPhone outsold WM very quickly, but how much has MS spent on advertising WM compared to Apple advertising iPhone? |
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