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thelostsoul
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"It is not the first time a Windows Mobile MVP has been thrown out, but this time the reason is trivial: breaking NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement that each MVP must sign. "
I disagree, it's not trivial. If you agreed you wouldn't disclose the private information they tell you for your benefit and enjoyment, then you should be perfectly aware of the fact that they may remove your "honorable" status. |
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indiekiduk
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So he sacrificed his MVP status to let the world know windows mobile would not be improving for another one and a half years. I say good for him.
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netboy
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EJR
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I disagree, it's not trivial. |
compared to reasons for which other MVPs were thrown out - it is trivial but I agree that if you sign NDA then you should keep. |
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HansMowlwurf
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thelostsoul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| indiekiduk wrote: | | So he sacrificed his MVP status to let the world know windows mobile would not be improving for another one and a half years. I say good for him. |
I agree, but if he made the agreement, its his responsibility to uphold it or take a chance and be the leak.
I'm happy to see the stuff he let out, and I thank him for that, but I don't think it goes well for him that he signed an NDA and went against it.
NDA is about the equivalent of a TOS. You violate the TOS, you could face legal penalties in some cases.
@HansMowlwurf ... I'm not sure I get what you're pointing to in that link? |
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HansMowlwurf
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| thelostsoul wrote: |
@HansMowlwurf ... I'm not sure I get what you're pointing to in that link? |
this is the text by brandon miniman?
Chuong just posted a fantastic rant on whether Microsoft's strategy is flawed. He made great points about the status of Windows Mobile's clout in the mobile device space going forward, and posed the question: what makes Windows Mobile unique? He then made the bold statement “I am not sure why I am still a Windows Mobile user,” a question that I’ve admittedly asked myself recently.
I've just returned from the Microsoft MVP Summit in Redmond, WA. I've seen Windows Mobile 7, I've heard from executives, and I've heard from the brilliant Mobile Device MVPs that lend their suggestions and insight to open ears on the other side of the room. At first glance, I contend that Windows Mobile 7 has an immense flaw that may threaten the platform in a big way, but at a second look, it may have a huge saving grace. Read on for more.
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My mission in going to this summit was to figure out if Microsoft actually HAS a strategy in the mobile device space, to Chuong’s point. If you're reading these words, you're probably a user of Windows Mobile. You enjoy its power in multitasking, its fantastic Exchange support, its flexibility in loading third party apps, and the variety of form factors that you have to choose from. You're also probably getting a little pissed off. Your device may or may not have the latest ROM (depending on your OEM/carrier), you may be getting tired of having to reboot your phone, you're annoyed by the horrendous web page rendering of Pocket Internet Explorer, and you're bored by the user experience. You wonder why you have to make so many sacrifices. Your friend has an iPhone, and he’s having a blast. Your girlfriend has a Blackberry, and she loves the messaging experience.
Microsoft knows. They know, they know, they know. They know about all of the falters and problems with Windows Mobile from the feedback they hear from all of you guys, from the MVPs, and from the blogs. It was a funny scene in some of the sessions at the MVP summit – the MVPs unleashed a litany of criticism and complaints about the platform, and the person leading the session was patient in hearing them out. The degree to which they actually implement our suggestions is another matter of discussion.
Ok, I alluded to an immense flaw regarding 7. Here it is. Let's assume that the leaked screenshots of Windows Mobile 7 were the real deal. I'm not saying if they were or weren't (since I’m under NDA), but let's assume they were. It looks good, I'm sure you'll agree. The UI is much improved with better consistency and more eye candy, there are some much-needed usability enhancements, and so on. As icing on the cake, think of your biggest complaint with Windows Mobile 5.0 or 6...it's likely that in Windows Mobile 7, it’s been fixed.
Here's the problem. If Windows Mobile 7 was released tomorrow, the community would rejoice and even iPhone users would turn their heads to see what's happened at the Microsoft camp. But Windows Mobile 7 is not being released tomorrow. They never gave us a release date to us at the summit (and even if they did, I couldn’t disclose that), but by the way they were talking about it, coupled with the rumors that are out on the net, it's going to be a while. The target seems to be sometime in 2009, but we all know that when Microsoft aims for date X, the product doesn't get out of the door until date X + Y. With that formula, take midyear 2009, that’s June, and add a few months. That brings us to the September 2009 time frame.
Timing, noble readers, is the immense flaw that may threaten this platform in a big way. It may be too little too late. By the time 7 is released, Android, Blackberry, and OS X on the iPhone will have evolved beyond where they are today. They’ll have features and functionality that we can’t conceive of at this moment. And here comes lowly 7…an OS that would have made a big splash in 2008, but in September 2009, it’s yesterday’s technology.
Then you ask: why can’t 7 be ready much sooner? Don’t they realize how important timing is in the mobile phone industry? That’s a question I asked. The truth is, Microsoft can’t go any faster, regardless of how much money they throw at the project. Getting a completely new version into the hands of consumers requires collaboration not only among the enormous Windows Mobile team, but with OEMs, carriers, chipset makers, and so on. The testing cycle is an eternity. The software testing can’t be rushed. The hardware testing can’t be rushed. It’s the nature of the beast.
Alas, I promised you a saving grace to the 7 story. Speculation is abounding of the significance of the Danger acquisition plus the establishment of the Premium Mobile Experiences division. What they hell are they doing? Microsoft wouldn’t tell us at the summit, so that leaves us to use our imagination. My best guess is that Microsoft will be leveraging the infrastructure of Danger (in their ability to design and create hardware) to create their own super-compelling hardware for Windows Mobile 7. Yes, folks, that would mean that we’d see a Microsoft branded Windows Mobile 7 phone sometime in the future. Why is this a saving grace? With direct control over the hardware experience, Microsoft can pump out devices that show off the capability of 7 to the maximum, with NO compromises. No laggyness, no plastic screen, just a Premium Mobile Experience, as the new division’s name implies.
To wrap this up, and to answer Chuong in his rant: Microsoft is working like mad to make Windows Mobile 7 be an OS that we all drool over (both for businesses and consumers), and they’ve listened pretty well to our bitching and complaining over the last few years. They have a strategy, they’re doing their homework. The greatest flaw in the Windows Mobile 7 story is timing, and if they get the timing wrong, which it seems like they are, they had better have some utterly breakthrough devices to show us from that new division, or else |
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jaja
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| i basically agree with everything he writes about 7 (apart from thinking danger has a clue about good hardware - they dont) but anyway, if half of it is based on stuff he heard because he is an MVP he clearly crossed the line so MSFT was right to kick him - still the way how it was done is stupid because it give unecessary fule to all the MS bitching Websites |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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He signed the NDA. It is a contract between 2 parties, him and MS. He broke the contract and he is liable to the consequences. If this company is not MS but others (and I don't need to name names), he may even find himself being sued. So a lucky escape for him.
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Bluetoof
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I still don't see what he "revealed". I already knew all the stuff he was talking about and I'm not an MVP nor was I exposed to any inside info. He only speculated from my opinion. M$ was wrong. They need to be more worried about getting out WinMo 7 then who is or isn't an MVP. For their sake they better hope people still even want to be an MVP... |
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Aleis
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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well he gives the impression that seven is due out this year...
im not mad about that AT ALL!
im chillin with 6.5 on a adryn rom.
i just want a capacitive 7.
i can wait  |
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