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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: HTC beats Nokia: HTC releases as the first one a touch-screen phone with tilt sensor - HTC Touch Diamond ! |
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Nokia plans to release a Symbian S60 touch phone with tilt sensor but there are some issues and this phone is being delayed, and it is HTC, not Nokia, that releaseas as the first such phone! ... and this phone will ...
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indiekiduk
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I don't like this title, Nokia has had an accelerometer in the N95 for donkeys.
Anyway, about the real news, do you have a video of the new 3D today screen application on the Diamond?
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xiasma
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: No SD slot? |
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NiTeSHiFT
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Only 1 device? |
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Am I the only one who is missing the "Revolution"? Where are any more devices? Like Raphael? The one I was waiting for... Or something revolutionary. I have an iPhone and was waiting for a WM-Device with VGA and nearly the features of an iPhone but a Keyboard for ppl like me who have to type a lot.
I'm also still waiting for HTC Omni. That would be the right device for me as I'm missing my HTC Universal... Oh man, nothing really new from this long awaited event... |
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alcedes
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While it uses Windows Mobile 6.1 in it's underpinnings I am still curious as to whether or not it supports regular Windows Mobile 6.1 functionality; My understanding is that an OEM can selectivly add/remove/disable certain features according to what they feel suits their device.
Will I be able to run other programs made for Windows Mobile 6.1 on this? Or do programs need to specifically target this hardware? |
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John Ericson
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| Camera? |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | this phone indeed is doing 3D graphics in hardware thanks to special graphics chips |
Hardware is worthless without drivers. Clearly HTCs past record in this regard is very weak. It clearly looks like this site as all others failed to follow up on the missing drivers with the current generation of HTC devices and ask what the situation in regards to updates is. I would not be surprised if a few pre production units are delivered soon.
Clearly this device like the current is still just a bunch of HTC apps running on the much outdated windows 6.1. |
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Stoic33
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Okay.. whats next.. |
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Seems HTC’s event wasn’t soo.. great, they just announced one device! Generally the HTC Touch Diamond seems okay as a one handed touch screen PPC device.. but certainly isn’t for me..
As an owner/user of almost every HTC/WinMo device (perks of the job) I would much prefer a Smartphone upgrade to the s710 (my preferred personal device) with a faster processor, gps and somewhat slimmer form factor, maybe without the keyboard.. and nope the s730 doesn’t cut-it..
n.b. Touch screens are great, one handed use (e.g. smartphones) are also great! But the PPC o/s isn’t one handed-use-friendly and you’ll quickly find yourself using a stylus once your out of HTC’s apps, thank Ms for that.. Eventually when MS merges PPC/Smartphone platforms, my predictions will be that they will drop the PPC startMenu/Ui for the Smartphone Ui, to make one handed-use (be it touch/keypad, hopefully both) a vital selling point of the OS over the competition/iPhone.
Or maybe Ms is just too slow and the iPhone/competition will reach quick one handed nirvana much quicker.
No memory card slot!! ARE YOU NUTS!! HTC may have been hanging out with Bill G when they set 4Gb as enough.. I have an 8GB micro-sd card that packed to the max with sat-nav, documentaries, audio-books and music.. if anything I want more 16, 20 no 80GB!!
& one more thing: Why are MsMobiles letting HTC off so easily, and what’s with the bogus Nokia claim! I think your in cahoots with HTC because you got a free press-pass and some goodies.. please drop the pretentious headlines and return to proper reporting.. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Okay.. whats next.. |
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| Stoic33 wrote: | Seems HTC’s event wasn’t soo.. great, they just announced one device!
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got a free press-pass and some goodies.. please drop the pretentious headlines and return to proper reporting.. |
I have a German press card and I don't need HTC or anybody to give me free passes.
Regarding goodies: a bag with a small bottle of alcohol + memory stick in form of credit card with 2GB size and 3MB of material about HTC Diamond + promise that all participants will get HTC Touch Diamond in June... however note that the purpose of the visit was to meet people and bring some good videos and audios and not to bring goodies. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| indiekiduk wrote: | I don't like this title, Nokia has had an accelerometer in the N95 for donkeys.
Anyway, about the real news, do you have a video of the new 3D today screen application on the Diamond? |
nokia n95 has no touch-screen so you are missing the point
some various videos wll be published yet here - stay tuned, however there is no exclusivity about videos of the phone - there is however exclusivity when it comes to closed-room meetings 
stay tuned! |
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Stoic33
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Some videos have been posted to youtube, first impressions indicate that the touch interaction lags (e.g. swipe then wait.. then action happens) but this might just be early samples:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=HTC+Touch+Diamond |
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Stoic33
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Okay.. whats next.. |
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| EJR wrote: | | Regarding goodies: a bag with a small bottle of alcohol + memory stick in form of credit card with 2GB size and 3MB of material about HTC Diamond + promise that all participants will get HTC Touch Diamond in June... however note that the purpose of the visit was to meet people and bring some good videos and audios and not to bring goodies. |
That was meant as a joke, but im glad you scored some swag..
I read MsMobiles because I appreciate the straight forward tell it as it is reporting! at the same time I’m a huge WinMo supporter and would like to see the platform improve and evolve more rapidly, a feat I can’t see happening if we avoid pointing out the obvious, rather than providing Microsoft/HTC with the feedback they need to improve future products, our products.. |
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kdarling
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Stoic33 wrote: | | Some videos have been posted to youtube, first impressions indicate that the touch interaction lags (e.g. swipe then wait.. then action happens) but this might just be early samples: |
Such "lags" are done on purpose, I would think, due to the extended gesture vocabulary. In other words, the device must first figure out what your intention is, from many possibilities. A small swipe = slide to next picture. Larger swipe = go to next menu. Circular = zoom. L-shaped = change orientation. And so forth.
It's just a different way of doing things. Some devices give instant action but fewer gestures.
It's not a speed thing at all. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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It looks just as laggy as the Kaiser and we know why that was.
| Quote: | Such "lags" are done on purpose, I would think, due to the extended gesture vocabulary. In other words, the device must first figure out what your intention is, from many possibilities. A small swipe = slide to next picture. Larger swipe = go to next menu. Circular = zoom. L-shaped = change orientation. And so forth.
It's just a different way of doing things. Some devices give instant action but fewer gestures. |
Complete and utter tosh. Who in their right mind would put a lag on purpose. The iphone has multitouch gestures, thats watching for two gestures at the same time and its instant. Most good gesture recognition programs try to recognise the gesture as its being done not wait until afterwards and try and work out what the last gesture was. Such software can recognise the gesture before its even completed.
Looking at some of the videos on youtube they remind me of the video when HTC wherre demonstrating the cube, having to swipe a few times before it actually worked.
Though I did notice none of the videos actually showed sending a text or an email, editing a word document etc. Is this because these apps are exactly the same as they are now. Eventually you get to the WM 6.1 interface that does not really support a finger touch device.
The new pointUI 1.5a which is completely free is more responsive and accurate than this and you can put it on your WM device right now without having to pay anything. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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nokia n95 has no touch-screen so you are missing the point |
I think you miss the point, you claimed
| Quote: | | main new feature of this phone not seen before: tilt sensor |
clearly the main new feature according to you has been seen before and has been in the N95 for some time now. I have seen a plugin for the N95 where you can tilt the phone to move a ball around the screen.
Why should having a touch screen be important to tilt. On the n95 it the tilt is used to control the device, for example if sitting on the desk and the phone rings, simply lifting the phone can anwser the call. Or putting the phone face down puts the phone into a silent or vibrate profile.
Infact do you think a tilt sensor is a 3-axis accelerometer. Wait a second the iphone is a touch screen phone that has that for the last year.
This claim is disingenuous and is probaly nothing more than even more HTC marketing spin. |
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