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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Review: Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta 1 - an unusable piece of junk ? |
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Since Opera company is sweeping problems under the carpet - pretending that they don't exist, we are revealing them here! We have tested Opera Mobile 9.5 thoroughly, documented it in videos (see below) and we...
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netboy
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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what are opera thinking!
PIE and Netfront, their default is zoom in!
opera 9.5 mobile, their default is zoom out!, since default is zoom out, texts is so small, u have to double click everytime to read something!
and sometime when u want to click on a link in webpage, sometime it goes to the link, sometime u zoom in or zoom out, and sometime it said "open a new tab?"
surfing internet on PIE is much faster, when i want to go to a link, i just click on it!
on opera, when u want to go to a link, sometime it zoom in or zoom out, sometime it asks "open in new tab?". WTF! |
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alcedes
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I tried using it on a TyTN II that had 60 megs free prior to launching. I never encountered the out of memory problem, but the application is doing something weird with the screen orientation change notifications that affects other applications. For a user mode application it seems to directly interact with a lot of low level settings and functionality on my phone. I won't make conclusions just yet, after all, it is a beta, but there's plenty of room for improvement.
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BrianC
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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If the PIE with desktop rendering engine is to be released in a couple of months, that would be fantastic. I can wait.
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Menneisyys
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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"Due to the fact that it is irreversible (in some phones, see below) without de-installation of the Opera Mobile itself, it totally breaks various other applications and use cases that rely on Internet Explorer for Windows Mobile (i.e. Pocket Internet Explorer). Clearly Opera Mobile, upon first execution should ask user and not take over forcibly! Note: in Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta 1 it is possible to de-select advanced setting "use as default" but in a version of Opera that is embedded (pre-installed) there is no such option. This option should be always available and the Opera should ask the user explicitly before taking over."
The situation isn't that bad, fortunately. Over two and a half years ago, upon the release of the very first beta of OM 8.60, I've already published a registry import file that fixes the problem:
http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/RevertOperaAssignments.reg |
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Menneisyys
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | | If the PIE with desktop rendering engine is to be released in a couple of months, that would be fantastic. I can wait. |
Note that, as I have pointed out in several of my Web browsing-related articles (see for example my W3C presentation), according to MS themselves, it'll be based on the outdated IE6 engine, meaning very bad compliance with contemporary Web standards. In this regard, Opera Mobile will be MUCH better. |
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gavinfabl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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This is miles better than PIE. Love it.
But then on an HP Ipaq 214 I have loads of memory and a fab screen.
I moved settings to mobile view and thats how I like it. |
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alcedes
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Menneisyys wrote: |
Note that, as I have pointed out in several of my Web browsing-related articles (see for example my W3C presentation), according to MS themselves, it'll be based on the outdated IE6 engine, meaning very bad compliance with contemporary Web standards. |
I read through your W3C. Very informative! Have you had a chance to try out the IE6 port in Windows CE 6.0?
While IE6 will still leave Microsoft behind in compliance for mobile web browsing it still seems like an improvement (moving their position from bad to mediocre).
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BrianC
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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It is a shame that PIE isn't going to be based on IE8 or even IE7 engine. Still if it supports AJAX and Flash plug-in, it is all I care at the moment.
In my opinion, it is pure laziness to use the same web site to serve both desktop and mobile use. At the very least, one should have different CSS style sheets for desktop browser and mobile browser. One size doesn't fit all. Even better is to have a mobile version of the web site that is optimised for content and content only. Leave all those big and heavy banners out of the mobile web site. The engadget site is a good example.
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adamz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | It is a shame that PIE isn't going to be based on IE8 or even IE7 engine. Still if it supports AJAX and Flash plug-in, it is all I care at the moment.
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I've used sites with embedded Flash support in Skyfire, and it's horrible to use... just because it is embedded in a browser. You have to pan and arrange the browser window so that you can see the Flash content, and often while doing that you'll activate Flash buttons that do things you don't want to do. Then you've got all the administrative debris around the Flash content that reduces your ability to see and interact with the Flash content. It's really not good at all. It's much better to have a separate Flash player that can be launched from the website so that you can interact with and view the Flash content in its own full-screen application with its own controls.
Maybe Microsoft can do it better in IE6 Mobile? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: MSMOBILES.COM - an unusable junk site with poor research! |
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I can't believe the Inq linked to this trashy site. I might have to stop reading the Inq if they insist on giving publicity to crappy sites like this.
| msmobiles.com_robot wrote: | | Since Opera company is sweeping problems under the carpet - pretending that they don't exist, we are revealing them here! |
Wait, wait wait!
Say what?
First you refer to a list of known issues published by Opera, and then you claim that they are sweeping problems under the carpet?
Am I the only one who notices the contradiction here?
Oh, and just for fun, let's look at the problems:
| Quote: | | web applications from Google not usable in Opera Mobile 9.5 |
And this is Opera's fault, how exactly? Opera is to blame when Google doesn't show the mobile site for Opera users?
Huh?
Oh, and I don't want mobile sites! I want the real deal. That's the whole point of this thing! To show pages like on your desktop PC!
| Quote: | | some podcasts/files cannot be downloaded at all |
Some? SOME??? There's a problem with ONE obscure site. Are you saying that Opera already knows about this single obscure site, and is desperately trying to sweep the problem under the rug?
Get a grip. You are losing it. Reality is calling.
| Quote: | | Opera Mobile 9.5 after installation sets itself as default browser forcibly |
Wow, you actually managed to mention something that looks like a bug! Amazing!
| Quote: | | Opera Mobile 9.5 disables text message notifications |
This is listed in Opera's known issues. I guess that must be Opera "sweeping the problem under the carpet" again. LOL.
SUMMARY:
- 1 issue that isn't even a problem with Opera, but a problem with GOOGLE
- 1 serious issue that is a bug and that is listed as a known issue
- 2 issues that are actual bugs, and not listed as known issues
So what this clown is apparently trying to say is that just because he found TWO BUGS that aren't listed in Opera's known issues (one of which is TRIVIAL), as opposed to the SEVEN that are already listed, Opera is "sweeping problems under the carpet"?
What are you expecting exactly? That Opera starts listing EVERY SINGLE bug reported by users in their known issues list? If so, did you even report these problems to Opera before making a fool of yourself?
This is why msmobiles.com is the laughing stock of the internet. Extremely amateurish, and an embarrassment to anyone who ever visited this site. |
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Menneisyys
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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(Sorry for my being tso terse - entered the message on a slate Tablet PC and didn't want to struggle with handwriting recognition.)
That is, as can clearly be seen from the results of my very thorough tests, Opera Mobile 9.33 had much better Web standards compliance than anything else (including even NF 3.5). I haven't tested the official 9.5b1 in this respect; I seriously doubt it's worse than 9.33. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Review: Opera Mobile 9.5 Beta 1 - an unusable piece of junk ? |
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| msmobiles.com_robot wrote: | | Since Opera company is sweeping problems under the carpet |
My God what a retard. |
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alcedes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | | It is a shame that PIE isn't going to be based on IE8 or even IE7 engine. Still if it supports AJAX and Flash plug-in, it is all I care at the moment. |
The present version PIE/IEM supports AJAX. I don't think we'll have to worry about future versions not supporting it.
I've not even seen a suggest that the Windows C.E. IE8 based browser is being developed. The IE6 based browser for Windows C.E. has been available for a while. Seeing that the Windows Mobile group is a customer of the Windows C.E. Group (and starts adapting the CE applications to WiMo after they receive them from the WinCE group) I think an IE8 based mobile browser is probably a long way off.
I'm interested to see how well Flash is going to work. The Flash Lite plugin currently available doesn't seem to work with most of the SWFs I've given to it.
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