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Weekly audio: Windows Mobile podcasts from last week (September 29 - October 6, 2008)

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Weekly audio: Windows Mobile podcasts from last week (September 29 - October 6, 2008) Reply with quote



In podcasts you can find out information not available on websites in textual form, so if you are interested in Windows Mobile as such or you simply would like to get the most out of your Windows Mobile phone, t...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am addressing a question that came up during the pod cast. Edward had asked something about what prevents a person from burning the music that one has downloaded with their Zune pass to a disc and then ripping it.

The Zune music format is pretty much the same as the Windows Media format. One of the features of Windows Media is that a content provider can restrict what a person can do with the content. The relevant restriction here is that WMA content can be restricted from being burned to audio disc. This is done with music acquired through the Zune Pass. To burn a track you need to purchase it. Zune tracks are sold for 79 zune points per track, which is 0.99 USD.

The possible restrictions go well beyond just burning to disc. A content provider can also restrict the what hardware through which content can be played. For example, one may specify that video content only be available through "secure" connections such as an HDMI connection to prevent some one from recording video output. A content provider can also specify that content can only be played on a secure audio connection. This prevents one from being able to loop the audio output of a song back to a file (a common method of removing DRM when all else has failed).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alcedes wrote:
To burn a track you need to purchase it. Zune tracks are sold for 79 zune points per track, which is 0.99 USD.


so you can listen all you want with the subscription but to 'own' a track for ever, one pays 0.99 USD - but the question remains: can I strip this track from DRM and convert to MP3 *legally* ? (for example by burning and ripping off to MP3)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EJR wrote:
alcedes wrote:
To burn a track you need to purchase it. Zune tracks are sold for 79 zune points per track, which is 0.99 USD.


so you can listen all you want with the subscription but to 'own' a track for ever, one pays 0.99 USD - but the question remains: can I strip this track from DRM and convert to MP3 *legally* ? (for example by burning and ripping off to MP3)


After you own a track you obtain burn rights for it. So if you want to burn it and then rip as mp3/wma you can (WMA is the default, remember to change that setting). If your are curious about the software I encourage you to download it and try it out. Every week there's a free track, so grab one of those if you want to experiment.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the zune store now sold drm-free mp3's when you bought them, (vs subscription)

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/03/microsoft-selling-dr.html

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surur_ wrote:
I thought the zune store now sold drm-free mp3's when you bought them, (vs subscription)

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/03/microsoft-selling-dr.html

Surur


Some tracks are available in DRM free versions, others are not. It is the decision of the content provider. I've gotten a few DRM free tracks from Zune but they were WMA and not MP3.
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