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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: Latest data about position of Windows Mobile in smartphone market |
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Once upon a time Windows Mobile had strong 2nd position in smartphone market, right after Symbian. What it is today? What is going on?
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bossmonkey
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| After seeing the Q3 results I think the bigger story here is that Symbian had over -12% in growth from Q3 '07 to Q3 '08. Yeah Winmo is still in fourth place but, still experienced about a 48% growth during that same time period. And of course the iPhone was going to have astronomical numbers considering the 3g Iphone came out. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Microsofts growth is only larger than Symbian. Not a good indicator. |
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bossmonkey
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: | | Microsofts growth is only larger than Symbian. Not a good indicator. |
Take a look at the Q2 to Q3 2008 report and you will see that in fact Wimo had a growth rate of around 40% compared to Rims 8%, Symbians 1%, & Linuxs -14%. Of course the iPhone had around a astronomical 675% growth for that same period. So to me after looking at the latest results from Q2 to Q3 of this year, I see Winmo having a extremely better growth rate than everybody except Apple. Q4 results will be the interesting one to look at since RIM will have shipped some new devices and Android phones should be shown. I would certainly think Winmo will have a very good Q4 with all the new HTC Winmo phones shipping around the world. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Take a look at the Q2 to Q3 2008 report and you will see that in fact Wimo had a growth rate of around 40% compared to Rims 8%, Symbians 1%, & Linuxs -14%. Of course the iPhone had around a astronomical 675% growth for that same period. So to me after looking at the latest results from Q2 to Q3 of this year, I see Winmo having a extremely better growth rate than everybody except Apple. Q4 results will be the interesting one to look at since RIM will have shipped some new devices and Android phones should be shown. I would certainly think Winmo will have a very good Q4 with all the new HTC Winmo phones shipping around the world. |
Then how can you explain why RIMs market share not growth went from 10.6% to 15.2 since Q3 2007 an increase of 4.6% compared to windows mobiles 12.2% to 13.6% an increase of only 1.4%. If Microsoft are growing faster than windows mobile then how come they are not gaining as much market share?
As for Q4 you have forgotten to factor in android. Remeber HTC are also producing android devices and its more likely the windows mobile user will jump to android than RIM or iphone. |
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bossmonkey
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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[quote="kieranEire"] | Quote: |
Then how can you explain why RIMs market share not growth went from 10.6% to 15.2 since Q3 2007 an increase of 4.6% compared to windows mobiles 12.2% to 13.6% an increase of only 1.4%. If Microsoft are growing faster than windows mobile then how come they are not gaining as much market share?
As for Q4 you have forgotten to factor in android. Remeber HTC are also producing android devices and its more likely the windows mobile user will jump to android than RIM or iphone. |
Take alook at what happened from Q2-Q3 of this year. Rim went from shipping 5,594,159 units in Q2 to shipping 6,051,730 in Q3 a gain of 457,571(not very good) Lets look at Winmo for that same time period 3,873,622 Q2 shipped to shipping 5,425,470 Q3 a gain in units shipped of 1,551,848. Winmo tripled Rims gain from Q2-Q3. As for Android it'll be at least another year and a half before it is shipping any where near 4-5 million units in a quarter. Remember those numbers T-mobile reported about the number of G1's sold was inflated. Peter Chou(CEO of HTC) in an interview with Mercury News at the end of October said,
“We are very excited about this new Android (Google’s mobile operating system) approach. This will give us more opportunities for growth. Of course, we are not de-prioritizing Windows Mobile by any means. However, with Android we can do more. We should be doing good numbers, but I can’t disclose the details. It will be more than what we originally planned. I’m saying we will ship more than 600,000.”
When he said over 600,000 he was refering to the total number they would ship this year. With no official dates set for a Android launch on other carriers, it will be awhile before they make the dent you assume they will make. The next launch for Android will probably be parts of Asia in the first half of '09.(still a ways out) In the US, Verizon and AT&T have both said they won't be picking up Android anytime soon. Sprint did confirm the Motorola Android phone but, given Sprint's current state with their pending $1.2 billion classaction lawsuit which they will probably loose while losing 1.3 million subscribers during Q3. I wouldn't bet on seeing that phone anytime soon. So Android looks like it will be limited to T-mobile in the US for at least until sometime in early '09. If I was Microsoft I would probably be more interested in the number of units RIM will be shipping with their new headsets being in such high demand.The other things to consider are will the iPhone keep it sales as high as they are. Can Microsoft actually ship Winmo 7 in the 2nd half of '09 and if so is it going to run smoothly or be a rushed job. And don't forget there is also the mysterious Winmo 6.5 that will be coming out before then. The one thing I certainly wish M$ would listen to their end users about is incorporating multitouch, seems like we've been asking for this forever and I would imagine it would only help their sales. |
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virain
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I am one of those WinMo users who've jumped to Android, and I am going back to WM. even if I have to suffer at slow EDGE speed, as I had to extend my T-Mo contract for another two years. And there's no denying that this OS has a potential, even though "Open OS" is just a catch fraze, as it is not really open, but it has a looong way to go before it even catch up with WM functionality. At this point for me, and I use phone mostly for business purposes there's no substitute for WM.
So, my point is, many of WM users jumped on G1 and you can see a lot of posts, even on official T-Mo G1 forum, WM users going back to their WM phones. Hence, Android factor is going to be limited and temporary.
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bossmonkey
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| virain wrote: | | I am one of those WinMo users who've jumped to Android, and I am going back to WM. even if I have to suffer at slow EDGE speed, as I had to extend my T-Mo contract for another two years. And there's no denying that this OS has a potential, even though "Open OS" is just a catch fraze, as it is not really open, but it has a looong way to go before it even catch up with WM functionality. At this point for me, and I use phone mostly for business purposes there's no substitute for WM. |
Couldn't agree with you more. I messed around with a G1 and it shows the potential to be a beast of a OS but, at this time it is pretty limited. It definatley has a bright future if Google plays its cards right. If anything, another big player like Google in the mobile market is a gain for mobile users as it increases comepetition and hopefully encourages innovation. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Take alook at what happened from Q2-Q3 of this year. Rim went from shipping 5,594,159 units in Q2 to shipping 6,051,730 in Q3 a gain of 457,571(not very good) Lets look at Winmo for that same time period 3,873,622 Q2 shipped to shipping 5,425,470 Q3 a gain in units shipped of 1,551,848. Winmo tripled Rims gain from Q2-Q3. As for Android it'll be at least another year and a half before it is shipping any where near 4-5 million units in a quarter. Remember those numbers T-mobile reported about the number of G1's sold was inflated. Peter Chou(CEO of HTC) in an interview with Mercury News at the end of October said, |
Again this is clearly avoiding the annual figures. Doing a comparison from one quarter to the next is inaccurate as one comapny may release all its new devices in Q1 and none in Q2. This is why an annual overview gives a true picture.
So again I put the question to you if Windows Mobile is growing faster than RIM then how come over the last 4 quarters windows mobile only increased its market share by 1.4% while RIM gained 4.6%?
As for the Android effect its clear that Android is an early release and its clear some users will revert back to WM, however its just as clear some will not. However what is clear is Android is competition for windows mobile rather than Apple or RIM meaning it will impact WMs market share rather than others. Its also clear Android is an OS that depends on a community for it to grow. 600,000 units for the first device is a good start and remember the G1 is in high demand due to shortage of supply. Note T-Mobile where not the only people selling hte G1. Over the long term Android has more potential to damage windows mobiles market share than the iphone has. |
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