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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: New models of Windows Mobile companion device REDFLY released |
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We have no idea why would you like to buy this thing, if for similar price you can get a netbook - a full computer, but it is quite interesting: with Redfly from Celio you can use bigger display and bigger keyboard ...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/7822.html |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Instead of a device like the netbook but not a netbook, I would rather hope they produce something like a pocket-size dongle that can hook up to an external XGA display, keyboard and mouse. So when I am back to office I can use the WM phone on a bigger screen and if I go to a broadroom, I can use the WM phone for presentation.
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | | Instead of a device like the netbook but not a netbook, I would rather hope they produce something like a pocket-size dongle that can hook up to an external XGA display, keyboard and mouse. So when I am back to office I can use the WM phone on a bigger screen and if I go to a broadroom, I can use the WM phone for presentation. |
wow, that is a great business idea! you should to their blog and post it as a comment.
anyway I think that Redfly is overhyped because some publications got it for free but in reality customers should buy netbooks instead |
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kanzlr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder whats so hard to get about the redfly?
it is NOT intended for personal use!!!
It is intended for big companies that spend big sums on servicing regular notebooks. The redfly has a MUCH lower total cost of ownership.
most salesguys already have a smartphone that is remotely managed by their IT department. All they usually need is a simple office suite, mail, web, finito. maybe some custom applications (that can be made available through remote desktop or a custom implementation).
If you give them a full laptop you will have the following problems:
1.) they have custom stuff on it. you can not easily interchange them with coworkers
2.) you need to take care with software updates, security, firewalls/virus scanners, etc.
3.) the IT support department needs staff that is responsible for keeping the companies notebooks/desktops in working shape
with the redfly, you give all your workers on the move a smartphone, and when they need something bigger, they grab ANY of the redflys from the IT shelf and thats it. no service, no setup, no custom profiles, no software updates, no "ups, see what i did? can you fix that?" stuff...
it is NOT intended to replace netbooks or notebooks.
it is intended to lower the operational costs for companies where a netbook is not needed (it does offer more power and versatility, but it costs more in support and opens up risks too).
this thing is not for the average guy who needs a mobile computer. it is for professionals whose biggest nightmare are clueless sales/whatever guys/gals who get on their nerves and time budget.
so please stop comparing these things with netbooks, because just because they look similar, they are not. they are something completely different. and they fill a niche. |
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netboy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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if you talking about business! and your business cant afford a laptop or a big monitor, then maybe it' better for you to go out of business instead!
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alcedes
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kanzlr wrote: | I wonder whats so hard to get about the redfly?
it is NOT intended for personal use!!!
It is intended for big companies that spend big sums on servicing regular notebooks. The redfly has a MUCH lower total cost of ownership. |
I'm not a big company but I did get a RedFly. (see here). I use it for business use and personal use. I have a laptop and a netbook but sometimes the redfly is just more convinient to have especially with the 8 hour battery. Without or without a redfly there's already certain things I am going to do with my phone that a casual user will not. The redfly enhances the usability of those tasks.
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kdarling
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Both I and my stepson got a Redfly.
It's just another tool in our bag.
The longlife battery makes it convenient to use during the day. Just keep your phone nearby and view things on the bigger screen.
Plus the Redfly has video output, so you can present documents to others over a projector or TV. |
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kanzlr
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| netboy wrote: | if you talking about business! and your business cant afford a laptop or a big monitor, then maybe it' better for you to go out of business instead!
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netboy, I think you never worked in a big IT department, did you? at least not as a an executive employee?
it is not a matter of affordability. of course big companies can afford "real" computers. the question is, why do they HAVE to spend that money if they can spend it for something else (or not at all).
Even in the most successful companies, cutting operational costs is key to stay competitive.
it is not about computer freaks who want powerful machines. Neiter I, nor any IT boss care about these wishes. Give users as much power and control as they need, and not more. Of course a software developer will never use something like this a a workplace. I know that. but again, this is not what this device is intended for.
It is a way to get easy tasks done with minimum OPERATIONAL costs. |
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alcedes
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Seems that with this product people tend to fall into one of two groups; for one group the RedFly is a fantastic product and really calls out to the individual. For others it serves no useful purpose. I don't see many that fall between those to categories.
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netboy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| kanzlr wrote: |
netboy, I think you never worked in a big IT department, did you? at least not as a an executive employee?
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i wonder why Steve Job never use this crap to showoff his new products at MacWorld! if u cant afford something better then redfly, then you shouldnt be in business! |
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kanzlr
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| netboy wrote: | | kanzlr wrote: |
netboy, I think you never worked in a big IT department, did you? at least not as a an executive employee?
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i wonder why Steve Job never use this crap to showoff his new products at MacWorld! if u cant afford something better then redfly, then you shouldnt be in business! |
netboy, you just confirmed what I said earlier. You have no experience how decisions are made in a bigger scale enterprise.
It is not a question of what you CAN afford. You always try to minimize costs. Everything else would be a waste of resources. Initial cost is also irrelevant (ok, not really irrelevant, but not that much of a deciding factor as regular customers believe). It is the long term costs.
Re-read what I said. I am fully aware that a Redfly doesn't replace a full fledged desktop. See it as a big screen and keyboard for your smartphone. It enables you to easier browse/email/edit documents/use some specific software/use a remote desktop. Thats it. And for many purposes, that is enough.
Don't say it is crap just because it doesn't fit your needs. It does something pretty unique: it extends the smartphones many companies issue already in a way that enables them to work almost as efficiently as with a laptop. In some cases even more so. But it doesn't have the high costs of ownership a notebook has.
netboy, these devices are not about what a consumer wants to do with a laptop. they are about saving costs.
Thinking things like "if u cant afford something better then redfly, then you shouldnt be in business!" is stupid. Mostly because
1.) the redfly just became that cheap. it used to cost way more
2.) It depends on the requirements. If you need a mobile workplace for email, corporate access, etc. with minimal operational costs, than it is one of the best solutions, there is nothing better. Please recognize that more powerful does not equal better.
why doesn't steve use one? well first it is not an apple product and second, these are there to get work done and minimize costs (you can't mention that often enough), not to show off.
And this is already kind of a conclusion: it is a niche product, but one that has potential, if IT departments support the concept.
Not, it won't ever appeal to a customer (or a netboy) who wants a real computer. It is a big screen + keyboard. Nothing more.
Would you say a docking station is crap, because your desktop is much more powerful than a laptop+docking station? would you? It extends a mobile tool to be more practical when you need it. exactly what the redfly does. it is kinda mobile docking station for your smartphone. |
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