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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: British TV says: HTC Touch HD better than iPhone 3G, BlackBerry Storm and T-Mobile G1 |
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Jon Bentley from "The Gadget Show" that airs on British TV channel "Five" have tested various smartphones and concluded that HTC Touch HD is the best!
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | TV channel "Five" (private broadcasting corporation = much more reliable than BBC) |
That statement is illogical and devoid of sense that I can only conclude that either you're deliberately looking for a cheap and fairly desperate way to get people to read your article, or that you have no understanding of the words that you write.
A private, commercially-funded broadcaster is far, far more likely to give a more biased viewpoint on a particular product, especially if the manufacturers of that product happen to be advertisers on the broadcaster's channels.
Indeed, it is no secret that in the US, for example, news networks will often do all they can to shy away from stories that may cast a shadow over the large corporations that own them - this is not 'more reliable'; this is allowing commercial pressures to influence editorial decisions.
Even if you disagree with such simple and obvious facts, I doubt you'll find many Brits who would consider the 'Five' brand - which, even after a number of relaunches in the past decade, is still in the eyes of many associated with a slightly seedy image as the home of terrible-quality less-than-softcore late night adult movies (who watches those dry-humping movies anyway? - to be 'more reliable' than that of the BBC.
Even those that hate the BBC - those with a brain at least, rather than those that merely bleat "abolish the licence fee" over and over again without having a clue what they're talking about - generally credit it (however begrudgingly) with having an excellent reputation, while the majority view Five as being 'another channel' that's worth watching every now and then for a documentary or movie.
That said, TV reviews of hardware on any mainstream channel are generally fairly insipid and vague. Even the product overviews on the BBC's own technology programme, 'Click', tend to be brief and lacking in any great detail. Unfortunately, that's just the nature of the beast - in almost all cases, there simply isn't time to go into detail and explore all the aspects that you might find in a magazine or web review.
However, while this is common ground for virtually all such programmes - and let us therefore remember to take such TV reviews with a pinch of salt - to suggest that a private broadcaster (invariably susceptible to commercial pressures on some level, and potentially with the risk of some material loss either directly or to an affiliate or subsidiary) is automatically "more reliable" in delivering a review than a public service broadcaster (with no commercial pressures and nothing to lose or gain by running an impartial and honest review) is a new low in your intellect.
Congratulations.
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You might like to have a look at how coolsmartphone reported Five's comparison/review, and in particular, note the comments left by readers there - it seems that they don't rate Five's opinions particularly highly, nor do they have a good impression of its impartiality and 'reliability'. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Again more selective reporting from Edward.
Jon specifically mentions a weakness of the HD as running on windows mobile which he then claims is a bit chunky going further claiming it is hard to use. He also explains how in the UK you cannot get the HD on an unlimited data package as its exclusive to orange.
however Jon goes further describing the iphone as a delightful object explaining that the iphone was voted by the gadget shows viewers as gadget of the year. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: |
That said, TV reviews of hardware on any mainstream channel are generally fairly insipid and vague. Even the product overviews on the BBC's own technology programme, 'Click', tend to be brief and lacking in any great detail. Unfortunately, that's just the nature of the beast - in almost all cases, there simply isn't time to go into detail and explore all the aspects that you might find in a magazine or web review.
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BBC has multi-billon budget by sucking up license fees and selling a lot content on iTunes, yet they don't have time to go into detail? What the duck?
BBC is overbloated inefficient wishy-washy organization that apart from DrWho produces nothing of value. If you like such commie-like organizations then fine with me, but don't bother me with talk about their greatness. I don't believe in it.
| kieranEire wrote: |
He also explains how in the UK you cannot get the HD on an unlimited data package as its exclusive to orange.
however Jon goes further describing the iphone as a delightful object explaining that the iphone was voted by the gadget shows viewers as gadget of the year. |
not quite true: you can get HD also online, also with contracts or without -and you can use mobile data from other operators than Orange too
regarding 'gadget of the year for iphone 3g' - well, it is true, mainly due to app store revolution, but the test itself concluded that HTC Touch HD is superior to iPhone 3G. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | not quite true: you can get HD also online, also with contracts or without -and you can use mobile data from other operators than Orange too |
Going through a third party is more expensive. The vast majority of consumers prefer to contact their operator directly. Thats why operators have shops up and down the country.
| Quote: | | regarding 'gadget of the year for iphone 3g' - well, it is true, mainly due to app store revolution, but the test itself concluded that HTC Touch HD is superior to iPhone 3G. |
This is completely unfounded Edward. The gadget show did not make this claim whatsoever. Here is the reality for you Edward Jon said that the problem with the Touch HD was it used windows mobile which was a bit chunky going and hard to use. The iphone is clear, is fantastic to look at and just works and its likely all these contributed to its success.
The fact that windows mobile sites have to mislead windows mobile users into thinking their devices are best tells me deep in the back of your mind you know windows mobile is severely flawed in the useability stakes. The reviews of the HTC touch HD are likely to be just as flawed as those of the Kaiser and Diamond which can in certain circumstances be outperformed by a 200mhz 3 year old processor. The lack of holding greedy HTC to account or proper constructive critism of HTC and windows mobile is the real flaw in this community. Its time reviewers showed some backbone and actually posted the truth. |
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Turbo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Getting the hd from another company tends to be CHEAPER than going direct with a network not more expensive.
I got my HD on O2 £35 a month with 1/2 prices line rental for 5 months, free car kit, 600 mins and unlimited data and the phone was free... This is far cheap than going direct with Orange.
Also the Orange exclusivity is pretty worthless as it ends very soon.
End of the day the HD is a great phone if you like Windows Mobile and the flexibility it gives. |
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brian
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | | Quote: | | TV channel "Five" (private broadcasting corporation = much more reliable than BBC) |
That statement is illogical and devoid of sense that I can only conclude that either you're deliberately looking for a cheap and fairly desperate way to get people to read your article, or that you have no understanding of the words that you write. |
I know nothing about "Five" but I do know that the BBC is completely devoid of any journalistic integrity, as is PBS here in the US. |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Getting the hd from another company tends to be CHEAPER than going direct with a network not more expensive
I got my HD on O2 £35 a month with 1/2 prices line rental for 5 months, free car kit, 600 mins and unlimited data and the phone was free... This is far cheap than going direct with Orange. |
I got my iphone completely free on a £30 a month contract with unlimited free data, car kit, access to all O2 wifi hotspots 600mins 500 texts that roll over. The international traveller service and a discount country. It is possible to get a better deal from operators if you know how they work.
| Quote: | | Also the Orange exclusivity is pretty worthless as it ends very soon. |
Its not pretty much worthless as the mobile operators and manufacturers well know. First to market with a device is key to making sales. The most likely consumer of these devices wants to upgrade asap, by the time Orange exclusivity runs out there will be another new device.
| Quote: | | End of the day the HD is a great phone if you like Windows Mobile and the flexibility it gives. |
yet you still cannot see the screen outside on a bright day |
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: | | I know nothing |
You should have stopped there.
If you had anything useful to contribute to the discussion, you might point a finger at America's own FOX News. I still find it amazing that they continue to claim they are the home of "fair and balanced reporting", when their schedules are filled with one-sided rants against 'elitist liberals', sycophantic adulation of President Bush and his administration and all that it does, and - more often than not - appalling attacks on members and supporters of the Democratic Party on air, including talking over such guests, shouting at them, telling them to "shut up", or publicly and loudly throwing off the show.
You may not like the BBC very much, but at least it encourages and promotes pluralism, and does its best to represent all key arguments and sides in a story, and whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, is widely regarded by audiences and organisations alike as the broadcaster that does it best. No-one's saying it's perfect - the BBC has more than its own share of flaws - but it's ignorant and immature to deliberately overlook the many, many things that it does so well just because you don't like or understand what it stands for. |
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brian
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | | You may not like the BBC very much, but at least it encourages and promotes pluralism, and does its best to represent all key arguments and sides in a story, and whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, is widely regarded by audiences and organisations alike as the broadcaster that does it best. |
you're either kidding or blind when you make a statement like that. i assume by "pluralism" you're referring to their incessant, insidious multiculturalism that favors terrorists over democracy and doing everything possible to stamp out christian culture and the values england (and the US) were built upon. open your eyes for a change before making stupid, uninformed comments. |
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