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[msmobiles.com_robot]

What is wrong with Microsoft? Firstly it discriminates against developers from some countries (that's disgusting!) and now we have just learned that next Visual Studio - Visual Studio 2010 will be crippled and will...

Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/8278.html

[GTRoberts]

Visual Studio 2010 will not be "crippled" - anyone can fully develop code using it.

Maybe, just maybe... if you actually knew what was going on... there is a new WM DE coming.

Yes, WM6.5 gold has been provided to the OEMs but just because it has not been IMMEDIATELY publically released doesn't anything at all.

You guys REALLY do consistently read into things TOTALLY WRONG and with an extreme anti Microsoft bias. I think you should shut this site down until WM7 is released later this year... TO THE OEMs that is.

I wonder if this post will also be deleted by antimsmobiles.com administrators.
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Cheers, Glen

[EJR]

[Synced]

GTRoberts you are spot on.

Wow.. Just.. Wow.. This article really takes the cake for insanity now. There is a real lack of knowledge here of how MS operates.

As a person "in the know". Usually something missing out of a product that is this obvious, means that it is being MAJORLY redone. This is a GOOD thing in the Windows Mobile space because status quo is not competitive.

Not being in there means there is a big update coming. By the way EJR, the first release of VS 2010 (yes this is the 2nd public release) was missing Silverlight and WPF.

OH GOD NO THEIR DROPPING SILVERLIGHT?!$#@ "MS doesn't even back their own technology"...Sigh.

Serious EJR do you think Visual Studio will drop Windows Mobile support all together? Seriously now? Common.

Please get a grip and stop going wildly out of control here.

Emulators are always released post-RTM of the OS (To non partners).

I can't say too much but we know WM7 is a very significant redo. It doesn't align with Visual Studio's BETA cycle.

Big whoop.

You are out of control my friend. This is again, a whole new level you have achieved to sink the quality of writings on this site.

[EJR]

[ernonewman]

You're obviously not a iPhone developer either, you need to be a registered iPhone developer to get the iPhone SDK and the costs at least $99

[EJR]

[gakubuchi]

[ernonewman]

I wouldn't want to ever develop anything for Apple anyway Android yes but not Apple. And from what I gather from your reply, you can get the SDK but once you have your app, you can't really do anything with it? Am I understanding you correctly? You then need to pay to get it onto your iPhone? Where MS gets you to pay first and then not give a hoot what you do after it? Gimme MS anyday then.

[ernonewman]

I agree with gakubuchi and Synced, this functionality will probably come later. Let's face it they have announced the .Net 4 Compact Framework either and from what I remember from the previous releases of VS this functionality came much later. And you will be kidding yourself to think they're going to give it away for free, they need to ensure they have a revenue stream for the Mobile apps and they can just do that by charging for the IDE(and I'm not talking about the Express Editions). Unlike Apple and probably Google was well, they aren't the only people who sell WinMo apps so they have to ensure they're getting their money back somehow.

[Synced]

I suggest EJR start doing some research on the developer technologies.

Visual Studio is an IDE platform. All of the "built in" languages and tools are just a set of stock plugins, parsers etc.

Visual Studio Express is based off the same platform.

That is how Microsoft released the Silverlight SDK for VS 2005 much later than 2005. And continue to do so for 2008.

RIM also ships a plugin suite for Blackberry development for Visual Studio.

If WM dev was completely removed from VS then that would mean end of life for WM because they aren't supporting it any longer. We know that is not the case because the WM team had quadrupled in size.

as far as revealing stuff. I don't make the habbit of breaking NDA agreements especially not for article qualities that come out of this place.

However I don't do so period anyways.

Secondly there is no way in hell MS would include .NET CF 4 in VS 2010 beta and give away what is coming.

It is clear by the leaks that WM7 is trying to keep quiet for the reveal.

Also if you have any questions about other devices I am on all 3 major platforms. That is my full time job.

Btw negativity is the primary concern on this site because there is a lot of good coming that you can see. Many of the MIX 09 sessions are public but barely any were written about here.

Also WM is the first 1ghz phone. Almost doubling the iPhone in processing power.

Lots of things are happening and lots of signs if you read into them properly.

Many of these types of articles are just trying to construct some sort of insane article because the writers have no real inside scoop so they want to generate *something*.

[EJR]

[Stoic33]

Won’t comment on the article title as that has been done already.
But would just like to add that from my personal perspective (not dev/business phones i get free) there are no WinMo devices on the market today that fit my needs. Yes! WinMo is a great platform and has a lot of app support and capabilities, but the Ui and hardware today are lacking and certainly not cohesive.

From that perspective like many others i have started to look at other platforms that are very appealing e.g. Palm Pre, iPhone and Blackberry for my next purchase in a month or two.. WinMo 6.5 just doesn’t do enough and although im eagerly looking forward to WinMo7 its not available at the moment.

In my case (for my personal device) i will most likely switch platforms and then switch back when WinMo7 finally appears, so although i don’t mind if MS takes their time to ensure they get it right. They should be aware that in the meantime all there delays will cause many to switch away and probably never look back.

[j2inet]

[moneytoo]