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msmobiles.com_robot
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 16777215
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: Rumor: HTC Firestone coming soon - and it has 3.5 mm stereo miniplug too! |
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HTC Diamond2 is an excellet phone except for one thing: it has proprietary ExtUSB connector for headset. HTC Firestone looks much like HTC Diamond2 but it has proper 3.5 mm industry standard plug...
Some high...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/8381.html |
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thelondonthing
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 236
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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I can't help but wonder where exactly this phone is supposed to slot in in HTC's line-up. Is it a replacement for the Touch HD? What does it do differently to existing HTC WinMo handsets? What does it do better? Why should I want this phone?
These are all questions I would have hoped that you might be interested in answering - but no, instead, you're dicking around with your boring crusade against mini-USB headsets, even though pretty much none of your readers gives a flying fůck about that, and even though we've really made that pretty clear ever since you've been on this jihad against proprietary headphone connections.
Why aren't you more interested in answering the questions that matter to people? Surely, if you can't be bothered to provide the info that people want, you might as well just pack this website in and save your time, rather than boring us all with the same crap repeated over and over again.
I don't expect you to have all the answers right now, but you seem to show no interest whatsoever in getting people interested in Windows Mobile and the new devices available on the platform; indeed, this whole "msmobiles" site - once dedicated to providing Windows Mobile related news, and claiming to offer the 'whole truth' - is now little more than the blog of a tiresome, gibbering fool who cares nothing for the phones and the platform that he claims to report on, but who is instead content to ramble incoherently about the absence of 'killer features' that in reality the rest of us don't really care about very much.
I certainly don't care that this phone has a 3.5mm headphone socket. I really don't give a rat's ass about that at all. My Touch HD has a 3.5mm socket, and it's not changed my life in the slightest. In fact, shortly after getting my Touch HD, I decided to get some A2DP Bluetooth headphones, and frankly I'd imagine non-WM users would be far more impressed about being able to connected good quality wireless headphones than being able to show off that your phone can handle a 3.5mm output.
The inclusion of a 3.5mm socket is not something that would affect my decision to purchase a handset, and it's certainly not a killer feature that would compel me to want to go out and buy a new phone today. I suspect that the majority of other readers will find themselves in the same position.
Does this handset have TV out? Does it have 720p video recording and playback? Does it have an 8MP camera with xenon flash? Does it have the most impressive and responsive display ever to grace a WinMo device? Does it have a new way of processing TouchFLO which makes it super-fast?
This is the stuff that I give a sh!t about. I want to be interested and excited about new Windows Mobile phones coming out - and that really shouldn't be difficult, because any number of other websites (from Engadget to Boy Genius Report to Mobile Burn to MoDaCo) make the process of engaging and enthralling people with news of new mobiles look really easy.
Yet somehow you manage to suck all the joy out of news regarding Windows Mobile with your petty, ignorant and unhealthy obsession with features that - for the majority of us - are of little to no interest, and which will be of little to no influence upon any decision to buy a new handset.
Please Edward, just put a god-damn sock in it, because your weird obsessive-compulsive streak towards 3.5mm headphone sockets and multi-touch displays became boring a really long time ago, and now it's really just sad - sad in that way where you look at someone tragic with nothing but pity in your eyes because you know that they're beyond help, and then you walk off, forget all about them, and get on with stuff that matters.
I can't speak for everyone else on here, but I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable with your weird fixations, mostly because it's starting to seem like you've actually got a genuine obsessive-compulsive fixation, and that perhaps it would be more productive for you to seek some kind of professional attention, rather than exposing yourself to the sort of ridicule that your tedious and entirely predictable postings so readily invite.
Please, if you've got some more insightful information, photos, differentiators, highlights, previews or reviews on Firestone, I'm sure that all of your readers will be truly delighted to see them - but please Edward, if all you're going to do is continue to whine about the lack or inclusion of 3.5mm headphone sockets and/or multi-touch, I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say: "shut the fůck up". |
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ugumba
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hear hear... I couldn't have put this better (or in more words ) myself.
My visits to msmobiles.com have steadily become less frequent over the past 2 years, for these very reasons: The weird fixations on meaningless features, and the self righteous (and often self pitying) tone in which they are expressed.
3-4 years ago (when I got my Typhoon/Qtek 8010), msmobiles.com was one of the first 3 sites I visited every day, if not many times a day. Now, I pop in maybe once a week to pick up the occasional interesting link and leave. I think the platform (WM) has basically outgrown this site and its keeper(s).
Right, then... back to XDA to pimp my HD some more...  |
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EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | | please Edward, if all you're going to do is continue to whine about the lack or inclusion of 3.5mm headphone sockets and/or multi-touch, I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say: "shut the fůck up". |
multi-touch - OK
3.5mm - not OK - it is not much and HTC and other WM makers should include it in all - it is serious matter  |
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bubuschoeny
Joined: 27 Mar 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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No if only it had a capacitive screen, multi touch and an apple logo on the back of it . j/k. It's nice to see HTC starting to realize the customers' needs. If only the would support graphics acceleration as well then we'd be in business. |
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virain

Joined: 23 Dec 2007 Posts: 124
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ugumba wrote: | Hear hear... I couldn't have put this better (or in more words ) myself.
My visits to msmobiles.com have steadily become less frequent over the past 2 years, for these very reasons: The weird fixations on meaningless features, and the self righteous (and often self pitying) tone in which they are expressed.
3-4 years ago (when I got my Typhoon/Qtek 8010), msmobiles.com was one of the first 3 sites I visited every day, if not many times a day. Now, I pop in maybe once a week to pick up the occasional interesting link and leave. I think the platform (WM) has basically outgrown this site and its keeper(s).
Right, then... back to XDA to pimp my HD some more...  | It is not WM. I use to visit this site daily, couple years ago, but since our friendly host EJR turned into poster child for identity crisis sindrom, (He thinks he is WM fan, but in reality genuine iPhone fanboy, kinda some men believe they were born as a woman) j/k There's not much to read but whininng about WM phones missing iPhone features. |
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EJR

Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 2629
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| virain wrote: | | There's not much to read but whininng about WM phones missing iPhone features. |
come on: 3.5 mm stereo miniplug is not just an iPhone feature - but standard in many other phones - even nokia n97 has it. |
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grahamkdt
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: What!!?? |
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| Is this argument about a 3.5mm headset jack still going on? Does anyone really care? Would the inclusion of such swing anyone's decision to buy or not to buy? Come on, at least lets have a discusion about something that really matters... capacitive screen - yes... multi-touch - yes... Qualcomm processor - NO... 3.5mm headphone socket - WHO CARES????? |
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clone
Joined: 17 Aug 2008 Posts: 25
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| EJR wrote: | | thelondonthing wrote: | | please Edward, if all you're going to do is continue to whine about the lack or inclusion of 3.5mm headphone sockets and/or multi-touch, I think I speak for the majority of people here when I say: "shut the fůck up". |
multi-touch - OK
3.5mm - not OK - it is not much and HTC and other WM makers should include it in all - it is serious matter  | It's just another unnecessary opening to allow dust in. |
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amb9800
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 92
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: What!!?? |
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| grahamkdt wrote: | | Is this argument about a 3.5mm headset jack still going on? Does anyone really care? Would the inclusion of such swing anyone's decision to buy or not to buy? Come on, at least lets have a discusion about something that really matters... capacitive screen - yes... multi-touch - yes... Qualcomm processor - NO... 3.5mm headphone socket - WHO CARES????? |
It's a pretty important buying decision for most people who are looking to use their phone as a media device, not just as an Exchange client to receive corporate email on.
I sometimes use Bluetooth headphones on my iPhone because they're convenient while working out, but by virtue of using compressed transmission, no BT headphones can come close to matching what real headphones sound like. In addition, how many non-techies are willing to carry a bulky set of headphones that have to be charged, paired, etc., when you can just carry little earbuds in your pocket.
The 3.5 mm jack is also useful for social occasions- e.g. at parties, it's not uncommon to have people just spontaneously plug in their MP3 player or phone and play a song from it. Same for wanting to play music from your phone in someone's car. Having to buy and carry an extra dongle is very inconvenient, and pretty much no one does it. |
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amb9800
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 92
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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On the HTC Firestone device itself, the photo posted looks like a photoshop (Touch Pro + HD with buttons moved around, early WM 6.5 screenshot pasted (with hexagons in place)).
But if the specs are real, it could be a follow-up to the Touch HD, with the main upgrade being the Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU. At 600 MHz, it'll probably match the iPhone 3GS' new 600 MHz Cortex A8 chip and will be much, much faster than the MSM72xx chips (>2x) in almost all current HTC devices. It should be able to play back at least 720p HD video content, so the HD moniker might actually make some sense this time.
There's also a rumor that HTC might introduce a WinMo 6.5 device in the fall with a capacitive screen (which WM is technically capable of supporting, as seen in the TI OMAP3 demonstrator platforms), so although it's still unlikely, maybe this could be it? |
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bubuschoeny
Joined: 27 Mar 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Guys cut EJR some slack |
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| Come'on guys cut EJR some slack. No Windows Mobile fan boy site has done as much as EJR has help Apple sell more product. I wonder if applemobiles.com is redirected here? hmm.. |
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amb9800
Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 92
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Guys cut EJR some slack |
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| bubuschoeny wrote: | | Come'on guys cut EJR some slack. No Windows Mobile fan boy site has done as much as EJR has help Apple sell more product. I wonder if applemobiles.com is redirected here? hmm.. |
Apple needs no help-- their product speaks for itself.
While some may debate whether or not they need a 3.5 mm jack, I think Edward is completely justified in pointing out some of WM's major deficiencies. I'd much rather read an honest evaluation of WM news (even if a tad sensationalized at times) than just a fanboy site praising some upcoming WM OS release that doesn't come even close to matching what the competition introduced 3 years ago.
My own list of some of WM's major issues:
-CE5/6 only support ancient ARMv4 instructions (not optimized for modern ARM CPUs, no multi-core support)
-CE5/6 lack support for ARM hardware floating-point unit
-Poor memory management
-Lack of GPU-accelerated composited UI
-Lack of common graphics API (GAPI/Direct3D Mobile are dead?, no MS implementation of OpenGL ES 2.0)
-Lack of new hardware APIs (accelerometer, compass, etc.)
-No resolution-independent graphics environment (aka where is Silverlight for WM?)
-No touch-friendly UI controls for developers (VS toolbox for WM resembles Win95)
-Outdated UI - touch-unfriendly, inefficient notification system, common UI elements (start bar, soft keys) take up too much screen space
-Outdated built-in applications (email, SMS, contacts, calendar, photos, IE)
-Poor media support (ancient WMP is mostly useless for video)
-Poor UI control of multitasking exacerbates performance issues
-Lack of (official) support for capacitive touchscreens (capacitive is vastly better for finger input-- no need to go capacitive-only, but support should be there)
-Carrier/OEM dependence for OS update distribution - result: no OS updates for non-current phones (compare: iPhone from 6/2007 can automatically update to OS 3.0 in iTunes)
-When available, OS updates too difficult for end users to apply (Pre does OTA updates; iPhone on iTunes automatically backs up apps, installs OS, restores everything)
On the hardware end (not just MS' purvey, but still):
-Underpowered CPUs/GPUs (e.g. Qualcomm MSM72xx, Marvell PXA)
-No capacitive screens (capacitive gives superior touch, better accuracy, much better sunlight readability; multi-touch easily implemented (in hardware))
-Few phones with 3.5mm audio jacks
-Few hardware accessories due to inconsistent device HW/driver support for USB Host/OTG (iPhone already has dozens of accessories coming with 3.0 release)
-Few phones with US 3G bands (this is obviously a cost/carrier issue as well, but extremely annoying for U.S. users)
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j2inet
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 131
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: What!!?? |
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| grahamkdt wrote: | | Is this argument about a 3.5mm headset jack still going on? Does anyone really care? Would the inclusion of such swing anyone's decision to buy or not to buy? |
I care. I've tried ysing my phone as a media device before. Bluetooth audio is okay but not as good as a wired headset (not to mention bluetooth is not an option when I am on a plane). The various adapters available for phones to allow one to use a 3.5mm headset are just cumbersome and easy to loose. I'd prefer for my phone to just work in the way that I would like for it to instead of having the need to adapt it to what I want it to do. |
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j2inet
Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 131
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Guys cut EJR some slack |
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| amb9800 wrote: | | (GAPI/Direct3D Mobile are dead?, no MS implementation of OpenGL ES 2.0) |
I've heard statements about Direct3D and DirectX being dead for several years at and I've never been able to trace that statement back to any Microsoft source. I'd agree that GAPI is dead as it was deprecated as of Windows Mobile 5 and OEMs are no longer required to implement GAPI as of Windows Mobile 6.5. But there has been no Microsoft source that I can find that states this. I asked the WM dev team via twitter about this and was told that DirectX is not being deprecated.
Perhaps I misunderstand the use of the word dead in this context. If so then can you expand on what it means here. |
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