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 Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: Editorial: downfall of Windows Mobile, episode 3: multitouch, where are you? |
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Since yesterday, Windows Mobile is the only major smartphone platform that doesn't offer multitouch. What does it mean in practice?
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srmz
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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I still consider myself a WM fanboy but I am afraid I am getting convinced that WM is gradually lagging behind. I was impressed as I saw the Hero introduction clip yesterday. I now sort of want to change platform and most probably to Android rather than iPhone. I am prepared to do it today but the huge collection of applications for WM that I have bought over the years and these have become a part of my daily life what to about that. Just to give you an example I still cannot find an application as powerful as Softmakers Planmaker. I use this extensively daily but if I switch platforms this is lost and so many other applications. Yesterday I seriously looked at DataViz equivalent of planmaker but that does not seem to match my requirements so I feel stuck with WM for the time being but again only for the applications I have become so used to.
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virain
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Edward! You should be thankful to MS that WM does not has multitouch screen! Otherwise you would have nothing to write about! All your articles are either no 3.5" jack or no multitouch. Oh, yes, almost forgot - capacitive screen, but that's only every 3rd article!  |
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Menneisyys
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| virain wrote: | | Edward! You should be thankful to MS that WM does not has multitouch screen! Otherwise you would have nothing to write about! All your articles are either no 3.5" jack or no multitouch. Oh, yes, almost forgot - capacitive screen, but that's only every 3rd article! |
Well, actually, he's 100% right about the capacitive screen... ever used an iPhone?  |
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rassah
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't this same argument be made for Macs having only a single mouse button instead of two? How the heck did Mac survive with just single (touch) button for so long, when all other PC types have gone to 2, or even more buttons? I have a feeling WM will survive just fine with single touch. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rassah wrote: | | Can't this same argument be made for Macs having only a single mouse button instead of two? How the heck did Mac survive with just single (touch) button for so long, when all other PC types have gone to 2, or even more buttons? I have a feeling WM will survive just fine with single touch. |
in case you didn't know: contemporary Apple mice from Apple have more than one button and even 'multitouch' surface on them. You are totally wrong on all counts. |
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Physboy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Menneisyys wrote: | | Well, actually, he's 100% right about the capacitive screen... ever used an iPhone? |
Actually, he is 100% incorrect about capacitive screen. Have you used ANY of the latest generation WM touchscreens?
In addition, and contrary to popular belief, you most definitely CAN do multi-touch with Resistive screens.
I have already shown quite conclusively that not only are resistive screens which are tuned for finger touch responsiveness just as good if not better than capacitive screen finger touch responsiveness, they have more capabilities than capacitive screens do.
So, the bottom line is that capacitive screens are, as Edward might say, more inferior to resistive screen technology by any stretch of reality. Delusions, marketing ploys and misinformation being the only reason why people think highly of capacitive screens. Just because a mfr. jumps on a marketing bandwagon for a feature, does not make that feature better than anything else being offered.
Regarding multi-touch as a necessary component for a mobile OS platform to succeed. Pure RUBBISH as Chris might put it. Give me performance, stability, unshackled functionality & application (Mfrs, this means take your market segmentation techniques and shove them up your arses!!), ease of use and a truly mobile HW platform (TG01 treading dangerously too close to being unusable for daily mobility.) to make mine and my clients days.
Leave the trivial complaints to those who have nothing better to complain about. Oh, judging from the new WM devices coming from Samsung and Toshiba, looks like they already did.
So glad FTC is now going to be regulating product and service disinformation from blog sites!!! Al fin!!!!
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virain
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Menneisyys wrote: | | virain wrote: | | Edward! You should be thankful to MS that WM does not has multitouch screen! Otherwise you would have nothing to write about! All your articles are either no 3.5" jack or no multitouch. Oh, yes, almost forgot - capacitive screen, but that's only every 3rd article! |
Well, actually, he's 100% right about the capacitive screen... ever used an iPhone? |
Yeah. first generation. followed the hype. and hate it. It,s collecting dust in my desk draw at work. Why don't like capacitive screen? Search from my yearlier posts. I don't want to sound as a broken record..., or Edward, in this case |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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WM is lagging behind and to not see this is burying your hand in the sand. Its easy to be critical of Edward but on all counts I believe he right but the main problem with WM is the poor user experience.
Edward is influencing people, not only on other web sites who are all now talking about the 3.5mm (how can any serious multimedia device not have this?) but face to face with people from Microsoft and HTC. Will Microsoft listen? all will be revealed in WM7 next year hopefully.
The iphone is the kick up the backside WM needed its doing what firefox did to IE. Strong constructive criticism is positive and Edward would be supported as all WM users will benefit if these features are added. Keep up the good work Edward. |
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virain
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: | WM is lagging behind and to not see this is burying your hand in the sand. Its easy to be critical of Edward but on all counts I believe he right but the main problem with WM is the poor user experience.
Edward is influencing people, not only on other web sites who are all now talking about the 3.5mm (how can any serious multimedia device not have this?) but face to face with people from Microsoft and HTC. Will Microsoft listen? all will be revealed in WM7 next year hopefully.
The iphone is the kick up the backside WM needed its doing what firefox did to IE. Strong constructive criticism is positive and Edward would be supported as all WM users will benefit if these features are added. Keep up the good work Edward. |
There's a fine line between healthy criticizm and unhealthy obsession. |
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werD420
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Strong constructive criticism is positive |
i'd love to have some of that, but this is not that
| Quote: | | Multitouch changes everything. There is no doubt about it as it is the only natural way of interaction with touch displays. Everything else is just delusions of fanboys. |
That's just tunnel vision garbage there.. Edward shuns accessibility and common sense to jump on a bandwagon rather than discuss the modern realities and compare differences of new technology.
ive said it a few times on here before.. Any one can release multitouch for WinMo. Google didn't release multitouch for android htc is. Why is it that when a mfr implements a custom api on a comp platform Edward acts as if they are the entire platform(ie. htc != google), but if a mfr implements a custom api on WinMo(sensor api by htc for ex) it's MS that is doing everybody wrong by not writing it for them..
lies & misinformation != constructive criticism
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Aleis
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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being that when you touch a capacitive screen (droid, iphone, pre) it responds to the first touch...MOST people prefer that.
winmo phones do not have that.
my co-worker is switching to an iphone as we speak from winmo.
why?
he hates having to tap two and three times for something with HUGE icon!
multi touch...not neccessary.
capacitive NEEDED BADLY!!! |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That's just tunnel vission garbage there.. Edward shuns accessibility and common sense to jump on a bandwagon rather than discuss the modern realities and compare differences of new technology. |
You see I don't think that's fair.
A 3.5 mm socket is not a new technology and is a must for any multimedia device. Adapters are ugly, awkward and degrade sound quality.
As for multi touch again Edward is spot on. While I am not a fan of pinch and believe multi touch on the iphone is often not required. There are cases it is the only natural way of using software in certain circumstances. I want be able to hold the shift key and press a letter key at the same time because that's what I do on my PC keyboard. The alternative solution on a virtual keyboard is just cumbersome. Then try and use shortcuts on a single touch devices. Single touch means cumbersome and complex gestures or use of screen real estate.
Multitouch cannot be achieved on a resistive screen, it can only be simulated. When two fingers touch a resistive screen you get the point in the middle. However with resistive you can measure the area touched allowing a programmer to calculate the positions or touch points. While it is true resistive screens look promising these screens will not be in devices for some years to come. |
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werD420
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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being that when you touch a capacitive screen (droid, iphone, pre) it responds to the first touch...MOST people prefer that.
winmo phones do not have that.
my co-worker is switching to an iphone as we speak from winmo.
why?
he hates having to tap two and three times for something with HUGE icon!
multi touch...not neccessary.
capacitive NEEDED BADLY!!!
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Your coworker has an old phone or does not have the screen sensitivity set properly. I turned my sensitivty DOWN on my Fuze with NATF 4.7. If the phone is geared for Touch + Styli (i.e. TouchFlo/SPB Mobile Shell) then the screen sensitivity should already be uber high. if it's not then use "advanced config tool" or learn enough to edit the value in the registry to change the sensitivty to where you want it.
Parkinsons is a good example of why high sensitivity to fingers is not always good for everybody. users that don't have a steady hand(whether it be from disease or whatever reason) need to have lower sensitivty to avoid mishits. But who cares about the crippled and/or people that arent exactly like me anyway...
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werD420
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: | | Quote: | | That's just tunnel vission garbage there.. Edward shuns accessibility and common sense to jump on a bandwagon rather than discuss the modern realities and compare differences of new technology. |
You see I don't think that's fair.
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It's completely fair. you can't call something the only natural way to interact with something when it is clearly not..
this article wasn't talking about 3.5mm jack.. nor was I, but i'll take my stereo bluetooth clip with the 3.5 jack anyday over tilting my head towards my pocket so the chord will reach
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I want be able to hold the shift key and press a letter key at the same time because that's what I do on my PC keyboard. The alternative solution on a virtual keyboard is just cumbersome.
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how is it more cumbersome to press shift and already be moving your thumb to the next character while you press the character you wanted captalized.. it seems to take less time. You can't use your thumbs to type and get the same productivity of a pc keyboard. if you were talking about a real pc kb then yes holding shift with my pinky is helpful b/c it's not doing much else..
the proper argument for multitouch screen is gaming.. no one types on the keyboard using multitouch for anything but modifiers(alt,ctrl,shift) "
or eles things wolud star t looikgn ilek thsi"
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Multitouch cannot be achieved on a resistive screen, it can only be simulated. When two fingers touch a resistive screen you get the point in the middle. However with resistive you can measure the area touched allowing a programmer to calculate the positions or touch points. While it is true resistive screens look promising these screens will not be in devices for some years to come. |
Wrong
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video
this is using tech available today. the specification's requirements are only for subsets of the core features
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