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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: Capacitive displays? You dont need no stinking capacitive displays! ... says Microsoft |
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In an article for developers about finger gestures in Windows Mobile 6.5, an employee of Microsoft more or less says that resisitive displays are better because they are cheaper and make handwriting recognition easi...
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Physboy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thank goodness MS does not fall to ridiculous fallacies about touchscreens, and instead offers both options so that those who simply want more than what a capacitive display can offer will be able to get it.
This is playing out just as I said it would. 
Power to the people, not those that mis-represent them!!!
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virain
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| One of the main selling point for me, is a pressure sensitive screen. If MS moves to capacitive, I will take a very hard look at Symbian. My first smart phone was SE P900, It was a great device for its time, actually, ahead of its time. |
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nuke1
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Capacitive displays? You dont need no stinking capacitive displays! ... says Microsoft |
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| msmobiles.com_robot wrote: | | Microsoft should realize something: users now expect "zero pressure is required" |
Edward should realise something: readers now know that Edward is a dictatorial blundering buffoon who should never be given the reins over anything bigger than his declining website.
Keep it up, d'oh, I meant keep it down, goofy Edward.
You have the miraculous ability of making readers lose support for something they initally were in favour of, simply because you are in favour of it. |
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Shoey5
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It should also be noted that there are a number of companies that provide stylus solutions for capactive screens. When you factor that in, there is no lose to hand writing recognition in required markets on top of the overall pro's of capactive touch screens. |
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Physboy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Shoey5 wrote: | | It should also be noted that there are a number of companies that provide stylus solutions for capactive screens. When you factor that in, there is no lose to hand writing recognition in required markets on top of the overall pro's of capactive touch screens. |
Yes, a more costly solution to be sure as they are not very reliable compared to styluses on resistive screens without tweeking display for specific stylus usage, and to ignore other touches while using it to avoid vectoring.
Not practical at all when a lower cost solution has a much better combined stylus/touch experience.
They are comming out with a new capacitive display that is designed for a specific pen and touch combo, to be used on W7 tablets. This makes sense for larger screens as I have elaborated on in another post here.
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Physboy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| virain wrote: | | One of the main selling point for me, is a pressure sensitive screen. If MS moves to capacitive, I will take a very hard look at Symbian. My first smart phone was SE P900, It was a great device for its time, actually, ahead of its time. |
No worries, mate. They will be offering both, it does not make sense not to and it will cost them almost nothing to support both.
Funny, how Apple relentlessly keeps battery as a non-user-replaceable component when EVERY other device out there has that feature. Somehow, I don't see Apple suffering due to NOT jumping on the mfr./market bandwagon.
They also went 3 generations of devices before offering video, cut&paste and a HW keyboard. Oh, yeah, they still don't offer the keyboard either. Hmmm, I just don't see the connection with not offering every feature that people want in a particular product and the demise of that product line.
Although, Fruit company, as Edward might say, has NOT overtaken WM or BB in US, or any other market that I know of (silly browser stats don't give accurate picture). I guess that stands to reason given how limited their device has been regarding ubiquitos features compared to the competitors.
All this verifiable evidence kinda flies in the face of the 'chicken little' fodder that keeps popping up around town regarding WM demise. lol
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kdarling
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: Headline should read "MS will support capacitive in future" |
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If you actually READ the article, MS says:
| Quote: | | "Looking forward the mobile team is considering how to address these issues and support many more screen types including capacitive. " |
So your headline should be "MS will support capacitive in future" |
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Headline should read "MS will support capacitive in future" |
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| kdarling wrote: | If you actually READ the article, MS says:
| Quote: | | "Looking forward the mobile team is considering how to address these issues and support many more screen types including capacitive. " |
So your headline should be "MS will support capacitive in future" |
Yes, future is a nice fluffy concept, but customers want to know what to buy now. I repeat: now. Future of course will bring EVERYTHING but it's beyond the point.
So for now: no capacitive displays and in future, possibly remote: maybe.
After all one could say: in future Windows Mobile phones will have all the features and more. But users don't care: the power of now ! |
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ESteel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They also went 3 generations of devices before offering video, cut&paste and a HW keyboard. |
Not to mention the fact that the iPhone is in it's 3rd Generation and still lacking a multi-tasking operating system.
Over and over again we hear about WinMo's lack of multi-touch yet where are the complaints about Apple's lack of multi-tasking?
If you are running any apps on an iPhone when the phone rings they are suspended or terminated. For example, I was testing the new AT&T Telenav GPS program on an iPhone and got a phone call during the route. The call closed the GPS program. After the call, it relaunched the program, but I had to re-enter the address and rebuild the route. My Tilt doesn't have that problem. It doesn't close the program because of a call. |
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virain
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Headline should read "MS will support capacitive in future" |
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| EJR wrote: | | kdarling wrote: | If you actually READ the article, MS says:
| Quote: | | "Looking forward the mobile team is considering how to address these issues and support many more screen types including capacitive. " |
So your headline should be "MS will support capacitive in future" |
Yes, future is a nice fluffy concept, but customers want to know what to buy now. I repeat: now. Future of course will bring EVERYTHING but it's beyond the point.
So for now: no capacitive displays and in future, possibly remote: maybe.
After all one could say: in future Windows Mobile phones will have all the features and more. But users don't care: the power of now ! |
Yes, Edward! And reading posts here it looks like customers do want resistive screen, except you, of course.  |
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kieranEire
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Not to mention the fact that the iPhone is in it's 3rd Generation and still lacking a multi-tasking operating system |
The iPhone has a fully multi tasking operating system based on BeOS. Its just they are the only ones allowed to run background applications. Proof of this is you can play music in the background or receive a call while running any application.
The concept from apple is the vast majority of applications should not be run in the background. For example the file browser with WM when you hit the x it minimises consuming system resources so when you run the app again it just activates the minimised instance already running. On the iphone the same app would persist its state and close freeing up resources, when its run again it loads its last state. WM allows up to 32 apps before its starts closing. The Android model is more complex similar to iPhone by default yet this behaviour can be overridden.
While you argue this is a severe iPhone weakness it could be argued its the devices real strength (referring to the stability and performance). The real weakness in iphone is the tight, controlling grip apple have over the device, market place and itunes all key services. Lets hope Microsoft do not follow suite with WM7.
There are pros and cons with both systems however for me Android has the balance right. |
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ESteel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | After all one could say: in future Windows Mobile phones will have all the features and more. But users don't care: the power of now |
You can apply the same logic to Apple concerning Cut and Paste. It took them 3 generations to put Cut and Paste into the iPhone. That didn't stop users from buying the iPhone for two years on the vague promise from Apple that cut and paste would be added some day. |
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j2inet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| kieranEire wrote: | The real weakness in iphone is the tight, controlling grip apple have over the device, market place and itunes all key services. Lets hope Microsoft do not follow suite with WM7.
There are pros and cons with both systems however for me Android has the balance right. |
I couldn't see Microsoft doing that with Windows Mobile. Doing so would break a lot of use cases that Windows Mobile currently supports. Though in onther consumer hardware keeping the device locked down is common practice. |
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kdarling
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Just a note in case anyone missed the info before...
WM 5 and 6 are based on WinCE 5, which is an old kernel. It still has the 32 process limit, but WM 6.1 opened up much more DLL space so more code could be loaded at the same time.
WM 7 is supposed to be based on WinCE 6, which has been out for several years now and is very robust. It basically does away with process limits (32,000 now) and each gets 2GB of memory to run in. |
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