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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: msmobiles.com revelations: the truth about Sun Corporation revealed |
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Staring: Scott McNealy (pseudo: "Microsoft lover", hobby: Chief Operating Officer of Sun Corporation), Jonathan Schwartz (pseudo: "hardware monkey", hobby: Chief Operating Officer of Sun Corporation), Nicolas Lo...
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Stephan2010
Joined: 31 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: msmobiles.com revelations: the truth about Sun Corporation revealed |
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aaaahhhhhh.... actually YAAAAWWWNNNNNNNN.......
why???? why??? Why keep telling lies????
Redmond Decaf never existed, only a couple of mocked up pictures do no make a product. Sun never charged anybody to release compatible VM, UNLESS they wanted to carry the Java logo and the Java name, so if your imaginary product was actually existing you would not have any problem. You have tried, by publishing false stuff, to convince somebody you had a product and attract "buyers" or even worse "investors", maybe in your holed brain even "microsoft" (a lot of juvenile people like you have used the same scheme before). The fact that you publish more details like "hack to allow even Nokia midlets to run" add more bullsh*t to pile of cr*p, to support Nokia midlets you would just need to add some external classes and that's it, no trickery is required. Even from the website where this phantomatic VM is actually presented, you can see a lot of newbie kind of approach to pretty much everything, even without taking into account your website everybody can realize Redmond Decaf is vaporware.
This site tells BIG lies, but easily recognizable. |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: msmobiles.com revelations: the truth about Sun Corporation revealed |
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| Stephan2010 wrote: |
Redmond Decaf never existed, only a couple of mocked up pictures do no make a product. Sun never charged anybody to release compatible VM, UNLESS they wanted to carry the Java logo and the Java name |
I assure that Redmond Decaf exists (but since no longer it will be developed, we can use term "existed"). It was based on the porting of reference implementations (in C) from Sun: of CLDC and of MIDP. The remarks that you say refer only to so called "cleanroom implementation" where software totally is not using any reference code from Sun - only then Sun cannot charge. I know that only some 1 company in Korea, and IBM in USA managed to do cleanroom implementations.
So sorry, it existed and I am not lying. We have been testing it with midlets from
http://midlet.org/index2.jsp and also on some commercial midlets sent to us... the fact is that we haven't seen any possibility to release this program commercially and the fact is that we don't have clean room implementation so we cannot release it without agreement with Sun.
Please note also: I am not the one who was programming it - I am just writing about it. I have seen this program running inside of Microsoft Smartphone (SPV e200) and in Pocket PC (Axim X3i). So it exists. |
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Stinger
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| If it's not vaporware, would you mind posting a video of a Nokia/Siemens java app running on the SPV e200? |
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Twiun
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:48 am Post subject: Credibility? |
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Whoever wrote the article doesn't seem to know much about licensing JVMs or the mobile market.
For any VM implementation that wants to call itself a 'Java VM' they must pass the TCK from Sun (Technology Compatibility Kit). Obviously Sun charge for this intensive testing and $50,000 is probably not that far off the mark. $100,000 is also within the realms of the possible too (probably for J2SE implementations I imagine).
As for 'commissions' on a device basis... haven't they heard of runtime licenses? Good lord, you'd expect someone posting to msmobiles would know about this pervasive industry practice.
As for there not being any VMs that can run Java bytecode for PocketPC, there is at the very least one for the Motorola MPx 220 http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/2898.html, there is also Waba, SuperWaba and EweVM.
Like Stinger, I'd like to see a video of a Nokia/Siemens java app running on the SPV e200. Pictures are just too easy to fiddle with. |
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