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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: HP iPAQ Mobile Messenger : Separating Facts from Rumors |
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2nd generation of Pocket PC phones from HP corporation - HP iPAQ Mobile Messenger:
... will be available commercially in about 2-3 months. Let's take a look at facts and rumors that by now appeared about this ...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3621.html |
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Tiz
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:03 am Post subject: EDGE |
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Your knowledge of the European telecommunication market is superficial and poor: TIM (Telecom Italia Mobile) is pushing the EDGE technology throughout Italy, while UMTS will be instead used only in populated areas because of the number of BTS needed to cover efficiently also the countryside.
Stop claiming false information as truth.
Anyway I read your website every day and I find it very interesting.
Sincerely,
Tiziano |
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EJR
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| Tiz wrote: | | TIM (Telecom Italia Mobile) is pushing the EDGE technology throughout Italy, while UMTS will be instead used only in populated areas |
That's true that some marginal operators will be launching EDGE in EU, however I was talking about big operators like Vodafone and T-Mobile... |
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Stinger
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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UMTS is very expensive to roll out, so don't expect it to have 99% population coverage in most European countries for quite some time. Where it's not economically sensible to roll it out (i.e. rural areas), a lot of the big European operators are planning to use EDGE.
And this PDA-phone doesn't have bluetooth? It must be very lame. |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
And this PDA-phone doesn't have bluetooth? It must be very lame. |
it has Bluetooth. |
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jamuser
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Treo killer? You must be kidding - just look at the size of that junk. And 240x240! 320x320 is quite bad but 240x240!!! So what if it has GPS if the screen resolution is so small it can't display enough informations!
And no backlit keyboard! Granted it beats the Treo 650 in some areas but that model has been out for 4 months now and already out in Europe. By the time this 'Treo Killer' is released it would be outdated. |
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Tiz
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
That's true that some marginal operators will be launching EDGE in EU, however I was talking about big operators like Vodafone and T-Mobile... |
TIM is not a marginal operator, it's the biggest Italian operator, and it's operator also in Brazil, Peru and other Southamerican countries. It's allied with T-Mobile in the FreeMove alliance. |
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jamuser
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| Tiz wrote: | | msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: |
That's true that some marginal operators will be launching EDGE in EU, however I was talking about big operators like Vodafone and T-Mobile... |
TIM is not a marginal operator, it's the biggest Italian operator, and it's operator also in Brazil, Peru and other Southamerican countries. It's allied with T-Mobile in the FreeMove alliance. |
MSMobiles has no idea on operators outside those who ever release MS products.
Series journalism? No...
Truth? Hardly... |
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Tiz
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Biggest operator (24 millions of lines), and not only, the first Italian operator to release in its offer a Microsoft Smartphone, the Sagem MyS-7! |
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EJR
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| Tiz wrote: | | TIM is not a marginal operator, it's the biggest Italian operator, and it's operator also in Brazil, Peru and other Southamerican countries. |
OK, but I was meaning more pan-european operators like T-Mobile, Vodafone and Orange... |
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:18 am Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | Tiz wrote: | | TIM is not a marginal operator, it's the biggest Italian operator, and it's operator also in Brazil, Peru and other Southamerican countries. |
OK, but I was meaning more pan-european operators like T-Mobile, Vodafone and Orange... |
But that's not what you wrote. You guys just can't EVER admit that you're wrong, can you? You'll defend whatever you write - however inaccurate - until you're blue in the face just so that you don't have to admit to being wrong.
Pathetic. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: Re: EDGE |
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| thelondonthing wrote: |
But that's not what you wrote. You guys just can't EVER admit that you're wrong, can you? You'll defend whatever you write - however inaccurate - until you're blue in the face just so that you don't have to admit to being wrong. |
I agree I was wrong claiming that there is no EDGE in EU but I was not wrong saying that major operators in EU - T-Mobile/Vodafone/Orange - are not supporting EDGE at all, but going stright to UMTS/3G. |
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Orcinus
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: Yes, you were very wrong... |
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We've had EDGE here in Croatia for quite some time now. There are two/two providers using it here, T-Mobile and VIPNet (a Vodafone partner).
UMTS had it's premiere just recently, on the other hand. But i really don't understand why the heck would anyone (here at least) want to use it instead of EDGE. You get marginally broader bandwidth, it's coverage is next to nonexistant and all the UMTS handsets are a joke (battery life, anyone?).
Besides, you don't pay extra for the EDGE (it's considered a part of the GPRS service) unlike the steep UMTS fees, and switching from EDGE down to GPRS in low-signal areas is completely transparent.
But that's all irrelevant. The bottom line is, your assertions were wrong. Completely. Try harder next time.
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EJR
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Yes, you were very wrong... |
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| Orcinus wrote: | We've had EDGE here in Croatia for quite some time now.
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But that's all irrelevant. The bottom line is, your assertions were wrong. Completely. Try harder next time.
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Your Croatia is not in EU and I was talking about EU:
"EU nowadays mobile operators (i.e. carriers) are not introducing EDGE (also known as "2.75 G") but instead they go stright to 3G/UMTS"
... and about biggest EU countries like UK and Germany
... and about biggest operators in EU: T-Mobile, Vodafone and Orange.
So my assertions were and are correct. I was not talking about whole Europe, I was talking about general trend among biggest operators in EU. |
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Orcinus
Joined: 14 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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You were talking about major EU operators. AFAIK, T-Mobile and Vodafone ARE major EU operators.
Like i said (wrote), both operators here, one of which is T-Mobile and the other Vodafone partner, support and offer EDGE.
Hence, major EU operators ARE introducing EDGE.
Croatia isn't an EU member, but an EU applicant. However, that wasn't an issue here.
The effort you've invested into reading my post obviously wasn't too great.
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