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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: Smartphone wars - report from the battleground |
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One picture can say more than 1000 words, so just take a look at this pie chart:
... and keep in mind that these results are from 3rd quarter of 2004 only and are global results.
Financial Times reports to...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3629.html |
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Orcinus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Was that thing at the bottom an autoportrait?
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Orcinus wrote: | Was that thing at the bottom an autoportrait?
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Stinger
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In return for these bribes Rafe Blandford is passing Symbian's trade secrets to Microsoft. |
HA HA HA HA HA!!
Weren't you sacked from Nokia for passing on their trade secrets to Microsoft? Isn't this the reason why you started this silly little hate website in the first place?
At the end of the day, money talks and bull**** walks. Symbian has an 80% market share and Microsoft isn't even in second place - with a very small market share. Symbian are obviously doing something right.
Even if you take out Nokia's chunk of Symbian sales, Symbian still outsells Microsoft and even you admit that Microsoft Smartphones aren't worth buying. |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
Weren't you sacked from Nokia for passing on their trade secrets to Microsoft? Isn't this the reason why you started this silly little hate website in the first place?
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No and no.
This is fan site for fans of Microsoft powered phones, that however is not shy of revealing the truth about Symbian.
"Stinger", I also kindly ask you to stop personal attacks or you will be banned from this forum. Let's discuss facts about the industry, not personal things. |
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Stinger
Joined: 02 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry about that. 
| Quote: | | Microsoft is a "good guy", Symbian is the bad guy. |
Oh really? Why did Microsoft steal technology and try to bankrupt it's original smartphone partner then? That doesn't sound like something a "good guy" would do.
| Quote: | | ... Apparently he was sick and tired of being just a puppet of Nokia. |
What's your source on this information? Care to provide a URL to where he made such comments about Nokia?
| Quote: | | Fact: 90% of all Symbian phones sold to end customers are being branded by Nokia! Nokia has 47.9% ownership of Symbian and it would take more if we wouldn't ridicule Nokia's attempt to overtake majority in Symbian. In other words: Symbian is just a puppet of Nokia to make an illusion that there is some alternative to Microsoft. |
You don't mention Ericsson at all. What's their stake-hold in Symbian? The last I looked it was nearly as big as Nokia's yet you never mention them.
| Quote: | | Microsoft on the other hand is not producing hardware (mobile phones) as Nokia is, and Microsoft is not cannibalizing its own license takers, as Nokia is doing, who is licensing Series 60 Symbian based platform. Buying Symbian software for mobile phones makes no sense because by doing so license takers are supporting their main competitor. |
Phone manufacturers are under no obligation to use Nokia's UI. In fact, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Fujistsu, Mitsubishi, BenQ, etc. all manage to release Symbian phones without Nokia's help.
| Quote: | | Symbian is based on Nokia's idea to extends its influence and to rip off also minor competitors! |
Nope. Symbian was Psion's idea.
| Quote: | | Conclusions: the smartphone wars are not over yet and Microsoft clearly has long-term plans, not just "get rich quick" approach that morally dubious Nokia and Symbian present. |
"Get rich quick"? The last time I looked, Symbian was still in the red. I beleive that you need to make a profit to become rich.
Being a MS fan-site, I'm sure you want to put a positive spin on Microsoft's poor performance in the smartphone market. However the figures speak for themselves - Symbian is the more popular and widely-accepted OS. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
However the figures speak for themselves - Symbian is the more popular and widely-accepted OS. |
I agree! |
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | "Stinger", I also kindly ask you to stop personal attacks or you will be banned from this forum. Let's discuss facts about the industry, not personal things. |
You fúcking hypocrite. You yourself have just launched personal attacks on the owners of another site. There's no facts about the industry there - you've just launched an attack on some people that you don't like, people that would be well placed to sue you for libel against them.
How can you threaten this other user with banishment from this forum, when you yourself don't even stick to the rules? And what on earth does the alleged practices of the owners of another site dedicated to Symbian have to do with competition between Microsoft and Symbian anyway?
Before you start lecturing others on "dubious moral practices", you should try examining your own tactics in attempting to undermine others in the industry by trying to damage their reputations.
Spreading vitriolic and damaging claims about Nokia and its supporters is a cheap and desperate way to try to win approval for Windows Mobile. But then most regular visitors to this site have come to expect such poor standards of reporting from you, so it comes as no great surprise. It continues to be a source of much amusement that you think you are a respectable and venerable force in industry reporting. You're not. You're nothing but a cancer on the body of online journalism. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: |
You yourself have just launched personal attacks on the owners of another site. There's no facts about the industry there
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These are just facts, not personal attacks. Pure facts. |
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symbianone
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: facts? |
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Of course myself being a proponent of the symbian ecosystem I would find your rant here to be not only amusing but its nothing short of malicious and slanderous. This piece is utter rubbish and is apparently based on no facts or research... where are the facts? It comes accross as nothing more than a personal attack.
You've managed to step on the toes of Nokia, Microsoft, Symbian and AAS here and I wouldn't be surprised to see all of them come after you with a "legal battle royal". Judging by the number of corporate sponsors this site has you'll no doubt have some difficulties securing legal counsel to defend you. This piece is absolutely absurd. If you haven't alienated yourself from microsoft before I think you've managed to do it now. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:23 am Post subject: Re: facts? |
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| symbianone wrote: | | This piece is utter rubbish and is apparently based on no facts or research... where are the facts? |
Which part of this news item seems to be untrue to you? Please be specific, no generics. |
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symbianone
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: no facts |
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the following statements cannot be construed as being factual as they are purely speculation on the part of the author:
Symbian has realized that it cannot provide such wide range of solutions as Microsoft provides
Symbian is not an independent company offering software for mobile phones to all hardware manufacturers. Symbian is just a puppet of Nokia to combat Microsoft's Windows Mobile.
Symbian is just a puppet of Nokia
he [Levin] was sick and tired of being just a puppet of Nokia
Symbian is based on Nokia's idea to extends its influence and to rip off also minor competitors!
Spence is accepting bribes from Microsoft
Rafe Blandford is passing Symbian's trade secrets to Microsoft
Myself I have a hard time believing any of the above mentioned statements and there is nothing in the article to justify or qualify these statements. Thus, they come accross as pure speculation. thanks for the amusing reading though... I needed a good laugh! |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: Re: no facts |
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| symbianone wrote: | the following statements cannot be construed as being factual as they are purely speculation on the part of the author:
Symbian has realized that it cannot provide such wide range of solutions as Microsoft provides
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that's true, because if it could provide such wide range soultions as Microsoft, then it wouldn't be seeking partners.
| symbianone wrote: |
Symbian is not an independent company offering software for mobile phones to all hardware manufacturers. Symbian is just a puppet of Nokia to combat Microsoft's Windows Mobile.
Symbian is just a puppet of Nokia
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Nokia owns 47.9 % of Symbian but over 90% of sales of all Symbian phones are Nokia phones. From the point of view of ownership and from the point of view of license fees - Nokia practically controls symbian.
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Spence is accepting bribes from Microsoft
Rafe Blandford is passing Symbian's trade secrets to Microsoft
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Not Spence, I said in the news item that Rafe is accepting bribes from Microsoft, and contrary to Peter Rojas from Engadget who covered his own costs, Microsoft paid for traveling and lodging for Rafe and Microsoft gave to him several cell phones for free. Obtaining free gifts is nothing but a bribe.
Regarding passing trade secrets: Microsoft was involving Rafe in games about which features are needed in cellphones and intentionally or not, Rafe was passing information (trade secrets) about Symbian to Microsoft.
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Myself I have a hard time believing any of the above mentioned statements and there is nothing in the article to justify or qualify these statements. Thus, they come accross as pure speculation. thanks for the amusing reading though... I needed a good laugh! |
You are welcome. Enjoy the text. Pure speculation? Well, thre is no proof for the contrary and logic shows that statements from this news item are true. |
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thelondonthing
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | thelondonthing wrote: |
You yourself have just launched personal attacks on the owners of another site. There's no facts about the industry there
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These are just facts, not personal attacks. Pure facts. |
No facts. Just horseshít. And what's worse is that you know it, and yet you still pretend to be all-seeing, all-knowing and above reproach, sitting in judgement of everyone, casting unfounded inconclusive allegations about others, and yet failing to recognise your own SPECTACULAR failings.
Your actions, your words, your whole shower of shít that you think is a respectable website is simply deplorable. By associating yourself with it through the name "msmobiles", and proposing yourself as an ardent supporter of its products, you bring nothing but the most profound shame to Microsoft and its work. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| I apologize to Rafe Blendford, and I have corrected it in news item: he cannot pass trade secrets of Symbian because he is not under any Symbian related NDA. |
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