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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: Microsoft named new Windows Mobile MVPs and dumped some old ones |
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In April 2005 the one-year period of MVP award expired for some existing MVPs and some new have been named.
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3730.html |
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thelondonthing
Joined: 25 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Boy, talk about sour grapes. Just because no-one in their right mind would nominate msmobiles.com, you think it's an indication that the whole system is grossly unfair. I think the very fact that you haven't been included is conclusive proof that the system works perfectly. |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| thelondonthing wrote: | | Just because no-one in their right mind would nominate msmobiles.com, you think it's an indication that the whole system is grossly unfair. |
msmobiles.com has helped 1000 times more users than some nominanted MVPs helped and it has the biggest web traffic among purely Windows Mobile websites as you can see here: 15133, what is bigger traffic even than PocketPCThoughts: 16564!
However the fact that nobody from msmobiles.com got MVP is not the point, the point is that several people among those who were nominated for MVP in Windows Mobile area are totally undeserving, because their contributions are either older than one year or extremely tiny. Microsoft should have clear and transparent (known to everybody) criteria for MVP and not that some guy who is being read by 3 employees at Microsoft but otherwise nobody knows him, gets MVP.
On other hand the fact that nobody from msmobiles.com is MVP has good sides too: msmobiles.com can cover stories and reveal information that other MVPs can't due to NDA (NonDisclosure Agreements). Many MVPs can't reveal so many information and report about so many stories, because they are scared that Microsoft will take away MVP from them if they will not "behave" and if they will not listen to Microsoft. MVPs tend to be only positive about MS, while msmobiles.com while being pro-Microsoft is not blindly pro-Microsoft and can tell stories others can't.
Nobody else gives you the whole story, only msmobiles.com ! |
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thelondonthing
Joined: 25 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said, sour grapes.
And msmobiles.com is not famous for giving "the whole story"; I'm sure most people would agree that msmobiles.com is actually famous for appalling English, idle speculation, a broad inability to admit when you're wrong, and grotesque and unfair bias against Symbian in every single article you write.
I'm a Windows Mobile man - I have bought three MS handsets in the last year - but at least I'm big enough to admit that Symbian is a good platform and has plenty going for it. It's sad that you can't do the same. Your statement that "msmobiles.com is not blindly pro-Microsoft" is the biggest crock of shít since the utterance of the immortal words "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". |
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Paragon
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Dude....get it right.....I have NOT been and MVP since the first of the year.
It is a very big world with billions of people. It is very easy for some folks to be doing great things for the Windows Mobile community and not be on YOUR radar. How can you fairly judge the contributions from people all over the world? You can't. That's why it is the Microsoft MVP program. Not the msmobiles program. They have employees and other people from all across the planet reporting on the contributions of others. Yet, you single handed, feel you know better? 
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Paragon wrote: | | They have employees and other people from all across the planet reporting on the contributions of others. Yet, you single handed, feel you know better? |
Contributions of some people are global or international and contributions of some other people are local. But also local scope - like participation in local user groups - can be estimated easily... and of course there is no pretence that list of MVPs at msmobiles.com is 'objective and the best'. It is simply one of possible takes on this issue. Since even Microsoft itself is not providing complete list of MVPs, so this list at msmobiles.com is not that bad. |
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Paragon
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | But also local scope - like participation in local user groups - can be estimated easily... |
One would then assume if a persons local contributions can be easily estimated, then it should be a snap to get the right country they live in, and if not, then I would strongly suggest that their contributions are not being judged properly, if that can't be determined properly....point being, there are several MVPs with the wrong country listed, or none at all. DOH! |
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