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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: Windows Mobile 5.0 is deficient - Microsoft STILL does not get it what customers need |
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Many news sources keep praising Microsoft for releasing Windows Mobile 5.0 and they fail to notice that Windows Mobile 5.0 is very deficient and in fact one can just say that "Windows Mobile 5.0 is a minor upgrade:...
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austinguy23
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: Disagree |
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If those are the only complaints you have about this new OS, I'd say Microsoft did pretty damn well. I agree that native support for video telephony would be nice, but considering the very long and impressive list of improvements and features we're seeing in WM5 I think we can cut them a little slack. Of course, I may feel differently if I were in Europe 
I do have one question about your comment concerning WM5 not supporting Pocket PC applications. I may have misunderstood, but are you saying that devices running WM5 will not be able to run applications that were designed for prior versions of the Pocket PC OS? If that is the case, that's definitely a legitimate complaint.
Album art?!? C'mon... |
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Pony99CA
Joined: 24 Oct 2004
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Location: Hollister, CA
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Disagree |
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| austinguy23 wrote: | | Album art?!? C'mon... |
Really! If some user makes a decision to buy a device like a PDA based on whether or not it displays album art, I think they need to check their priorities.
Now if he'd said WM 5.0 still doesn't have a task manager/simple way to really close programs, more alarms in the Clock settings applet, a better file manager or a method to enter appointments in another time zone without actually having to change the time on your PDA, I might be more sympathetic.
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Disagree |
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| austinguy23 wrote: | I agree that native support for video telephony would be nice,
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are you saying that devices running WM5 will not be able to run applications that were designed for prior versions of the Pocket PC OS? If that is the case, that's definitely a legitimate complaint.
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"Would be nice"? No, I think that it is crucial to have video telephony support in the platform. Otherwise hardware manufacturers may decide (as they surely do) not to release 3G phones based on Windows Mobile but based on Symbian.
Regarding backward compatibility: Windows Mobile 5 runs older programs in most cases, however the point was that Microsoft was claiming that both platforms - smartphone and Pocket PC - will be unified in one and it didn't happen. |
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Arisme2
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | No, I think that it is crucial to have video telephony support in the platform |
I assume you have some figures regarding the popularity of video telephony in european countries  |
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carl
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Arisme2 wrote: | | Quote: | | No, I think that it is crucial to have video telephony support in the platform |
I assume you have some figures regarding the popularity of video telephony in european countries |
Put it this way, have you seen i 3G-handset without video telephony? =)
Anyway, i think the video telephony hype will pass.... I live in sweden where almost all my friends (like 8/10) have (or had) a 3G-handset (I had two diffrent 3G-phones before switching to the Qtek S100) but after the first month or so nobody made any video calls with their phone. Why? Because people don't walk around with their handsfree plugged in and it's not so fun to use the speakerphone on the subway sometimes...
I can't remember when I saw somebody make a video call the last time? And I live in Stockholm where 3G-handsets with video telephony is very, very common. People have in fact started to switch back to regular GSM networks and use regular GSM phones.... sad but true.
So after first a year with video telephony and now a couple of months with the old GSM, do I miss it? No. Would I like to have the speed of 3G in my S100? Yes, but GPRS works for now. It's the price of the data transfers that bugs me...
The gsm-killer-service of 3G isn't video telephony. Trust me.
Edit: In fact there is a 3G handset kinda without video telephony. The Nokia 6630. You can make videocalls on it, but it only has one camera and it's on the back. So you can't film yourself and watch your buddy at the same time if you aren't standing in front of the mirror or buy the extra camera...
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Stinger
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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It may not be the killer app for 3G, but it is a standard feature on all 3G phones.
Convincing regular users into switching to smartphones is going to be hard enough. Convincing them to use smartphones which have less functionality than a regular phone is going to be near impossible. |
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Pennan
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: Clear Text Messages is included! |
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| Quote: | | Another very annoying thing in MS Smartphone was lack of possibility to delete all SMS messages (now called by Microsoft "Text Messages") at once - with just one command! Many people hoped that Windows Mobile 5.0 will solve this problem at last! No, it is not so, Windows Mobile 5.0 for smartphone still has no "delete all" function: |
You can remove this complaint because the function is there and has been there before (at least in WM2003 SE).
Just go to Menu - Folders. Then you have Clear Text Messages in the Menu.
I agree that support for video calls should be in the OS. Microsoft always seems to keep some modern features out of Windows Mobile.
Not that I would need this function personally, but they need to keep up with the competition. If the manufacturers have to add functionality like HTC has with its products it's important that these add-ons work and look like they are part of the operating system.
Embedded pictures in MP3 files is a minor issue to me. "Album Art" as you describe it is supported through the way Windows Media Player uses it.
WM5 seems great, but I'm a bit disappointed since it has taken Microsoft so long to present it. This OS must have been the best kept secret at Microsoft. Usually developers get lots of information about upcoming releases. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Clear Text Messages is included! |
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| Pennan wrote: |
Embedded pictures in MP3 files is a minor issue to me. "Album Art" as you describe it is supported through the way Windows Media Player uses it. |
Not minor issue to people who listen daily to several podcasts... anyway: it is not supported in Windows Mobile. It is supported in Windows Media Player for Windows XP but very often I download podcasts over Wi-fi directly to my Pocket PC phone and then I don't see Windows XP at all... so I (and many other people) need this feature inside of Windows mobile, in Windows Media Player. Lack of "album art" support in Windows Media Player for Windows Mobile means that Windows Media division doesn't treat Windows Mobile seriously... |
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
Convincing regular users into switching to smartphones is going to be hard enough. |
Off-topic:
"Stinger" your email that you have registered in this forum is rejecting notifications from this forum. Please correct this email address in your settings! Your current email is not working and forum has problems to send you notifications.
By the way: I agree that 3G support is very very important these days. |
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tehdarkstar
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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How can you say that there is no built-in support for video-telephony? Did you actually tried it on a 3G enabled phone?
Have you ever heard that you can enable and disable pieces of UI in the Windows Mobile according to the features you want to provide as device manufacturer?
As far as I know, WM5 comes with built-in support for 3G, even if it is not very clear what does that means.
Another aspect is the screen resolution: QVGA on the Smartphone is not the same as QVGA on the Pocket PC and you should know it. The QVGA in the Smartphone means higher DPI, so, better clarity of images, not higher quantity of available space for more information.
Ah, and the album art? C'mon... |
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gears
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EJR
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Text messages... |
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Good work, Leigh! I will correct the news item later and give credit to you(you have proof in screenshot).
Unfortunately when I was playing with Windows Mobile 5.0 emulator I missed it somehow.  |
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Pennan
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Text messages... |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | Lack of "album art" support in Windows Media Player for Windows Mobile means that Windows Media division doesn't treat Windows Mobile seriously.... |
But it has album art support. Just not the kind of album art you are looking for. Hopefully an update will fix this.
| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | Good work, Leigh! I will correct the news item later and give credit to you(you have proof in screenshot).
Unfortunately when I was playing with Windows Mobile 5.0 emulator I missed it somehow. |
Hmm...  
Didn't you read all of my previous post? 
I wrote the same thing but without a screen dump since this forum does not seem to accept image attatchments...
You don't have to credit me though.
You missed it in Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition too... |
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EJR
Joined: 18 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Text messages... |
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| Pennan wrote: |
But it has album art support. Just not the kind of album art you are looking for. Hopefully an update will fix this.
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Hmm...
Didn't you read all of my previous post?
I wrote the same thing but without a screen dump since this forum does not seem to accept image attatchments...
You don't have to credit me though.
You missed it in Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition too... |
1) what support is it exactly then? could you elaborate?
2) yeah, without screenshot I couldn't believe because I was playing with Windows Mobile 5 for smartphone emulator and I haven't seen it. Please feel free to send me screenshots over post at: info, and then "@" and then "msmobiles.com . |
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