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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:15 am Post subject: Cooperation with Nokia does not pay - Sendo nears bankruptcy |
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Sendo Z100 was the first non-prototype Microsoft Smartphone that was ever sold (although only for developers). After failing to complete design of this phone Sendo switched to Symbian Series 60 licensed from Nokia a...
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Stinger
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Sendo Z100 was the first non-prototype Microsoft Smartphone that was ever sold (although only for developers). After failing to complete design of this phone Sendo switched to Symbian Series 60 licensed from Nokia and placed whole blame of failure on Microsoft. |
Actuallly, that's not true.
Sendo were only days from releasing their Microsoft phone. It was completed and they had started to manufacture it.
However, they then realised that Microsoft had stolen their technology, trade secrets and contacts and given them to HTC. Microsoft had promised to invest in Sendo but the money never materialised.
It takes a lot of balls to pull a product so close to release, especially when you're such a small company. They must have had very good reasons to do so.
Not only did they cancel the release of their Microsoft phone, they also sued Microsoft. Sendo vs. Microsoft in a court of law doesn't seem like a fair fight, does it? Sendo must have had a very strong case against Microsoft, especially since Microsoft settled out of court in the end.
Link to story.
| Quote: | | Sendo would be better off using Windows Mobile than Symbian. |
The facts don't back that up:
Sendo's performance with Microsoft: One product pulled days before release (very expensive failure)
Sendo's performance with Symbian: One product released with favourable reviews and a second product in the pipeline and due to be released at a very low price
I can't remember any incidents of Symbian/Nokia stealing technology from it's partners either. |
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peterw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Stinger is correct.
What MS did to Sendo was outragous, next time you look at a HTC phone, remember to thank Sendo for its design |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
Sendo were only days from releasing their Microsoft phone. It was completed and they had started to manufacture it.
However, they then realised that Microsoft had stolen their technology, trade secrets and contacts and given them to HTC. Microsoft had promised to invest in Sendo but the money never materialised.
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Do you really believe that Sendo - tiny company - designed some revolutionary smartphone products that HTC couldn't make on their own?
Anyway: Microsoft resolved the issue with Sendo and there is no legal problems now so your point is moot.
And besides this: how can you know that 2nd Sendo's smartphone basedon Series 60 would be ever profitable? Sendo was claiming that it will be selling it very very cheaply but these were just words that never materialized. I can claim for example that I will launch new website that will beat (web traffic wise) Engadget.com but this also may never materialize. Words are just words. Facts about Sendo: it failed to convince mass market consumers for their products based on Symbian because Nokia offers products based on Symbian that are better and cheaper.
My thesis is that it makes no business sense to buy/license software from Nokia if Nokia is also going to produce phones based on this software. You have not said anything that could undermine this thesis. |
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peterw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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The fact is they did. Why did MS invest in them, why did they have sendo as their first smartphone if they did NOT have something special? How did HTC move from total unknowns to suddenly have this smartphone design? because MS gave them the design as they are doing with Peabody.
Are you claiming MS designed it? MS have, outside their original mouse, never produced much in the way of hardware.
You have you strong opinons and you are welcome to them, but there is no evidence to back them up. Neither HTC nor MS were responsible for the Smartphone design, they stole it from Sendo. The link you posted claiming to be from un-unidentified Sendo employee is obviously a fabrication. How many employees who work for a small innovative company describe their company as 'small and insignificant UK company which is anti-European and fails to accept anything that will not give it an advantage over its local and foreign competitors'?
None. That is a MS employee talking the arrogance of a monoploy.
As for your argument against Nokia software, I have no opinion. Just don't insult Sendo in a your attack on Nokia.
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MS also paid Sendo to finish the legal case. Sendo didn't retract their statement about what MS did and MS haven't explained where they got the design from. So the facts stand as Sendo stated -MS paid them to shut up about it. |
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Stinger
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Facts about Sendo: it failed to convince mass market consumers for their products based on Symbian because Nokia offers products based on Symbian that are better and cheaper. |
How is that a "fact"? It's conjecture at best. At worst, it's your bitter hatred of Nokia clouding your opinion again.
If Microsoft is such a wonderful partner, how comes Sierra Wireless have now withdrawn from the cell phone market completely? To get a company to stop making phones altogether must have taken a lot of skill on Microsoft's part. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
How is that a "fact"? It's conjecture at best. At worst, it's your bitter hatred of Nokia clouding your opinion again.
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it is fact that Sendo smartphones are nowhere near among the most popular smartphones on the market = failure. |
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Stinger
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | it is fact that Sendo smartphones are nowhere near among the most popular smartphones on the market = failure. |
By that logic, doesn't that make all Microsoft-powered smartphones a failure since they're no-where near as popular as Symbian ones (outsold 10:1 according to the latest figures)? |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Stinger wrote: |
By that logic, doesn't that make all Microsoft-powered smartphones a failure since they're no-where near as popular as Symbian ones (outsold 10:1 according to the latest figures)? |
Not really because number of Windows Mobile phones sold is much bigger than number of Sendo smartphones sold. Many times bigger! |
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biscan25
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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what sendo are a failure as a brand cause they havn'et competed with a software i,e windows, but windows aint a failure even though there outsold 10:1 to symbian
somwhat strange logic to apply |
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johnag007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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It is completely unfair to state that a company fails because of not going 1 way in such a simplistic format.
Sendo had financial difficulties because the phone it designed was not released, whatever the actual reasons between MS and Sendo.
After that, when a startup finds itself squeezed in such a way and its lead product, which probably sucked in all their R&D resources, does not even generate a single cent, what do you expect the company's financial position to be in?
There was a time when MS greatly benefited from a large dose of luck (buying MS DOS and designing for IBM). Do not smile on others who were unlucky without being (muc much) better informed. |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| johnag007 wrote: |
Sendo had financial difficulties because the phone it designed was not released, whatever the actual reasons between MS and Sendo.
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Are you saying that also current financial problems are caused by quarrel with Microsoft? |
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