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 Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:22 am Post subject: Tech Ed 2005 Europe : Microsoft presents new features of Windows Mobile 5.0 + Orange SPV M5000 - a 3G phone powered by W |
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Here we present audio recording (in a podcast), photos and description of a session "Windows Mobile 5.0 – Features, Functionality and Futures! " by Jason Langridge from Microsoft UK.
In this session not only O...
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Stinger
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Conclusion: Windows Mobile 5.0 is not only big number of new APIs but also many other new features. It was also refreshing to learn that Windows Mobile 5.0 supports natively 3G (IMS standard). All in all Windows Mobile 5.0 is worth waiting for... Once again, Microsoft’s “third time lucky” axiom is holding true - Windows Mobile 5.0 is 3rd, after Smartphone 2002 and Windows Mobile 2003, major attempt to bring out software for mobile phones. Providing new fantastic features (Office Mobile with PowerPoint, 3G support, Bluetooth keyboard support, e-mail push combined with push of events, notes, etc, etc) and new APIs that make development of complex applications easy (GPS, camera, notifications, power, etc) the Windows Mobile 5.0 finally gets it right. |
The problem is that these "fantastic new features" have already been offered on other platforms for quite some time.
Symbian mobiles have had 3G support for almost 3 years now.
Symbian already has a wide range of applications which utilise hardware features such as the camera. It's had a notification API set since it's original release.
Most Symbian phones already ship with software to at the very least view Office documents (including PowerPoint) without conversion and PDA models come with software to edit them without conversion too.
RIM have already cornered the market for push e-mail and make simple devices that do the task very well. They've become a corporate icon that will be very hard to shift.
What is Microsoft doing to raise the bar, and not just catch up with the competition? Unless they're ahead of the game, I don't see how they're going to make real progress. |
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Dumdidum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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One question Stinger, is your only occupation waiting for a news entry here, so you can write how good Symbian is?
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samsara
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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OK Stinger / fan boy (should be renamed as rimmer...)... please get your facts straight before posting...
1. | Quote: | | Symbian already has a wide range of applications which utilise hardware features such as the camera." |
Symbian doesnt even come close.. Symbian as more applications available or users than MS mobiles I dont think so... Er really, where did you dream that up?
2.. Microsoft is number 1 on the PDA market... not Symbian by a long way and its growing. Dont believe me go to InformationWeek or Reuters.. But if you want corporate / business on a handheld.. Microsoft is the way to go. And I've worked on mobiles from the Psion Walkabout upwards.
"InformationWeek reports that the number one PDA operating system now comes from Redmond, 48.1% last quarter (41.2% a year ago) compared to 29.8% (46.9% last year) for PalmSource. The big gainer was RIM, up to 19.8% from 4.9%. Linux ... a valient 0.9%, off slightly from last years' 1.9%. The article has some thoughts about where the market is going with phones taking on more PDA functions."
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/1521246&tid=100&tid=190&tid=1
3. | Quote: | | "RIM have already cornered the market for push e-mail and make simple devices that do the task very well. They've become a corporate icon that will be very hard to shift." |
Wrong, but the real deal - is how many users... get the facts please, not just wave the anti MS flag before checking..
The typical installation of RIM's is what.. 60 users.. The typical installation of the Microsoft Mobile is what 3000 plus...
Yeah blackberrys are ok for a very small Sale force tin shifters who want to get email but in teh big picture that is a very small part.
4. Yes Symbian can view a word document, and wow I can write with a crayon on paper as well, but it doesnt make it the best use or most effective way of doing it does it.
Side note..
RIM are going through a Patent suit
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/06/07/HNrimntp_1.html
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/05/2313215&tid=155
Ive seen this device (.wave you know who... lol) and it really rules... changes everything... and it works like a dream. |
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rdkay
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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What do they mean by "secondary display support"? Are we going to see TV outs on new WM devices? That would be nice!!!
No Symbian doesn't even come close when it comes to OS features. I have a A1000 Motorola Symbian UIQ phone and you just can't compare to WM. I cannot browse the web and listen to music at the same time! Not real multitasking OS!! WM can do this easily!! No landscape modus either in Symbian UIQ till now....
I am rather disappointed by Symbian and I cannot wait to buy MDA Pro and sell the A1000 on ebay 
Cheers,
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verhoeven
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I am even more dissappointed. What means Symbian? Bought a P900 because it was Symbian and I supposed that all my Nokia 9210 software would work. Wrong of course. Then I went from a 9210 to a Nokia 9500 and thought the same: Wrong again!. What does a platform mean if it does not work with the same software. Wouldn't you get mad if you bought a new Apple and the old software wouldn't work?
I am completely fed up with Symbian. Waiting for a 9500 like machine with WM 5 on it so I can:
Use filemaker, SQL etc.
Dot net apps
Use VPN
Use that new phone as a harddisk/mem stick, because it will have an open USB system. No software needs to be installed... wow! Just plug your phone in any computer.
Really work wit Excel. If... the Nokia 9500 reads an Excel file it is super slow. And everything has to be converted.
I want to sync the notes of Outlook.
I want to sync other data.
and... last but not least: I want an OS that will be supported by thousands of programmers. Look at this: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/awards/category_all_2005.asp
and that is without WM5.
Cannot wait. The formfactor of the Nokia 9500 is perfect however, which gives me some patience.
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| rdkay wrote: | What do they mean by "secondary display support"? Are we going to see TV outs on new WM devices? That would be nice!!!
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Secondary display support means 2 displays: one internal (with standard resolution) and one external (like the one in Motorola MPx220).
Some 3G operators offer TV over 3G networks so yes, you will see TV too... |
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EJR
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| verhoeven wrote: | Wouldn't you get mad if you bought a new Apple and the old software wouldn't work?
I am completely fed up with Symbian.
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there are no such problems with Windows Mobile
and 5.0 runs all old programs (I have tested myself). |
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verhoeven
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| rdkay wrote: | What do I have a A1000 Motorola Symbian UIQ phone and you just can't compare to WM. I cannot browse the web and listen to music at the same time! Not real multitasking OS!! WM can do this easily!! No landscape modus either in Symbian UIQ till now....
Cheers,
Rainer |
I bought a Symbian P900 SE. I had to completely relearn how to handle it. It should be illegal to call Symbian an Operating System. It is a handling system. Zero things are standard as the end user is concerned.
What do the P900 or A1000, or Nokia 9500 have in common? Nothing... absolutely nothing.
But they all run Symbian? What does that help ME?
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austinguy23
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| Stinger wrote: | RIM have already cornered the market for push e-mail and make simple devices that do the task very well. They've become a corporate icon that will be very hard to shift.
What is Microsoft doing to raise the bar, and not just catch up with the competition? Unless they're ahead of the game, I don't see how they're going to make real progress. |
I don't think you understand that Microsoft's push e-mail solution is FREE to corporations. You don't need to buy licenses, additional servers, or hire/train staff on new technology. On the server side, you simply install the FREE Service Pack 2 for Exchange 2003 and enable the push e-mail feature - that's it. Any device running Windows Mobile 5 can then receive push e-mail from the server. It's that simple.
It's soon going to be game over for RIM & Goodlink. It'll take a few years, but it's going to happen. Afterall, why would any company *purchase* push e-mail when it can be had for free?
Besides, haven't you been keeping up with the NPT lawsuit? If I were a RIM investor, I would have dumped my stock long ago... |
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