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msmobiles.com_robot
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 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: Microsoft celebrates release of HP iPAQ hw6500 in USA but analysts say: no Windows Mobile 5.0 so do not buy it! |
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Microsoft has launched new section at their website devoted to HP iPAQ hw6500 series phones just released by Cingular:
... but analysts are extremely angry say clearly "no matter what features it has, don't...
Read more at http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/4444.html |
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xiasma
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Why all the venom yet again? And please, PLEASE try to improve the standard of "journalism".
| Quote: | but analysts are extremely angry and say clearly "no matter what features it has, don't buy it because it doesn't have Windows Mobile 5.0".
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1) What analysts?
2) What type of analysts? Business analysts? System analysts? Past life regression analysts?
3) You appear to be quoting with attributing that quote to anyone. Or are you suggesting that ALL analysts have said those exact words? Sounds more like one of your soundbites, to be honest.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a good product or even that there's a place for Windows Mobile 2003 (which, clearly, there is). The point I am making is that I really feel it inappropriate to call this blog a "newspaper". Now, I understand you are <removed> so I'm half inclined to forgive the grammar and punctuation, but the lop-sided, angry rants are a long way from an editorial of even the lowest gutter press. |
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PPCMD
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I do check out this site daily and I am not a journalism major but the only analyst you have tied this to is ZDnet. Unless a major business, trade, newspaper or stock analyst says don't buy it how can we simply say oh, ZDnet is right on.
Ok, so I have the 6515, does it work as intended and designed, yes it does. Could it improve with WM5, sure so would any device that doesn't have WM5. But it obviously wasn't designed with WM5 in mind, it was supposed to have been launched in early 2005 when have WM2003SE would not have been as big of an issue for some but it wasn't.
Mine works as expected. Now when the Treo 700w (also with 240x240) comes out I will be moving back to Verizon and selling my 6515. I would keep it if I could use it on Verizon but I can't.
Also the 240x240 screen is not terrible, low end and crappy as many keep saying and I have owned the hx4705 it was nice but too big. |
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Pony99CA
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: Silly Analysts |
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I'm not sure I'd trust this analyst.
First, he said the device was running Windows Mobile 2003. He's wrong -- it's running WM 2003 Second Edition. WM 2003 didn't support square screens, but WM 2003 SE does.
Second, he said we have to wait until 2006 for an HP device running Windows Mobile 5.0. He's wrong again -- the iPAQ rx1950 is running it today and on sale. It's not a phone, but it is a "device".
Third, he said Windows Mobile 2003 doesn't support depressable thumb wheels. It may not support them natively, but there are devices that have them. In fact, my Mobile Crossing WayPoint GPS Pocket PC has a depressable thumb wheel, which I use to navigate the user interface while driving if I need to.
Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that an analyst is wrong. They don't seem to be as in touch with the Pocket PC space as many of us are.
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EJR
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Silly Analysts |
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| Pony99CA wrote: |
Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that an analyst is wrong. They don't seem to be as in touch with the Pocket PC space as many of us are.
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I am in touch with Windows Mobile space very close and I can confirm that this analyst is right: one should not buy hw6515 because it is powered by outdated operating system and is not upgradable.
my ethnical origins have nothing to do with this matter so please leave them outside of this equation please.
the fact is that HP is failing its own customers and declining release of ROM upgrade to Windows Mobile 5.0 for hw6515 so it is good to inform potential customers that they shouldn't buy device with outdated hw6515 devices not only because new programs will not be running in them, but also because Windows Mobile 5.0 brings some new features essential also to GPS - like ability to access GPS location from the receiver by many applications at the same time, that means that buying of hw6515 is totally and utterly pointless. |
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japichardoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| PPCMD wrote: | I do check out this site daily and I am not a journalism major but the only analyst you have tied this to is ZDnet. Unless a major business, trade, newspaper or stock analyst says don't buy it how can we simply say oh, ZDnet is right on.
Ok, so I have the 6515, does it work as intended and designed, yes it does. Could it improve with WM5, sure so would any device that doesn't have WM5. But it obviously wasn't designed with WM5 in mind, it was supposed to have been launched in early 2005 when have WM2003SE would not have been as big of an issue for some but it wasn't.
Mine works as expected. Now when the Treo 700w (also with 240x240) comes out I will be moving back to Verizon and selling my 6515. I would keep it if I could use it on Verizon but I can't.
Also the 240x240 screen is not terrible, low end and crappy as many keep saying and I have owned the hx4705 it was nice but too big. |
I agree with you, this device was intended to work with WM2003SE, not with WM5. Besides, there aren't many applications that work with WM5.
I personally have a HP iPaq hx2415. I purchased the upgrade and installed it, but guess what ? I have to get back to WM2003SE because my ipaq gets very slow. I'll wait for HP to release an upgrade. |
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jeffreii
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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seriously people...if you don't like his comments, get off his site and stop wasting your time posting angry replies to the articles...no one is forcing you to come to msmobiles.com - if u have nothing better to do than flame...that's sad
that aside - i happen to agree completely - it's absurd that HP would release a new phone with an old OS...i have an apache and am thrilled with wm5.0 - it is excellent and i find it apalling that a company trying to make money would be so dumb as to release a product that is already outdated in a market that is changing rapidly anyways
if HP can't get a product to market in time to have a current OS, maybe they should just give up and outsource to HTC
-jeff |
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gex
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| jeffreii wrote: | | if HP can't get a product to market in time to have a current OS, maybe they should just give up and outsource to HTC |
Um, they already did... the hp6500 was made by HTC.  |
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srmz
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| I totally agree with Jeferri |
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kvee
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| jeffreii wrote: | | seriously people...if you don't like his comments, get off his site and stop wasting your time posting angry replies to the articles...no one is forcing you to come to msmobiles.com - if u have nothing better to do than flame...that's sad -jeff |
This a free speech forum so if someone wants to express a view about the journalism - then they should be free to do so - good or bad comments. The site pitches itself at the controversial end of reporting and the writer "says it as he sees it". Fair enough. If you do that then be prepared to accept the "brickbats" that inevitably follow and be big enough to take on "the chin" people's comments. A lot of "negative" comments have been justified and well argued IMHO. The site will only improve if people have freedom of expression. From what I have seen so far people value this site as having a cutting edge in speed of reporting, that's why they come back. |
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Pony99CA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Silly Analysts |
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| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | Pony99CA wrote: |
Of course, we shouldn't be surprised that an analyst is wrong. They don't seem to be as in touch with the Pocket PC space as many of us are.
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I am in touch with Windows Mobile space very close and I can confirm that this analyst is right: one should not buy hw6515 because it is powered by outdated operating system and is not upgradable. |
I wasn't disagreeing with the analyst's conclusion. I was pointing out the factual errors he based his conclusion on and stating that I wouldn't trust him if he can't even get simple facts correct.
| msmobiles.com_wiseacre wrote: | | my ethnical origins have nothing to do with this matter so please leave them outside of this equation please. |
This appears to be related to what xiasma said, not me. Please don't make it sound like I made any ethnic remarks by including this below a quote from my post. Instead, quote the correct post. That's Forum Etiquette 101.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Silly Analysts |
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| Pony99CA wrote: |
This appears to be related to what xiasma said, not me. Please don't make it sound like I made any ethnic remarks by including this below a quote from my post. Instead, quote the correct post. That's Forum Etiquette 101.
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OK, I am sorry, it was not you. I will try harder in future. |
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Pony99CA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: Flaming |
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| jeffreii wrote: | | seriously people...if you don't like his comments, get off his site and stop wasting your time posting angry replies to the articles...no one is forcing you to come to msmobiles.com - if u have nothing better to do than flame...that's sad |
Irony is a bitch, isn't it? You complain about flaming and then flame others.
The point was that saying "analysts" say not to buy this device while only citing one analyst is misleading at best. And, as my post pointed out, that analyst couldn't even get simple facts right, like which operating system the device was using. (Kind of like you can't get facts right by knowing that HTC has been building iPAQs since the original ones from Compaq.)
Steve
NOTE: I believe that HTC has built most of the HP iPAQs and all of the Compaq ones. I recall that HP had a different company build one or two lines of iPAQ (I'm not going to look up which ones), but HTC has done most of them.
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netboy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| WM2003 and WM2003 SE is the **SAME** OS! Just like a Honda Civic and a Honda Civic Special Edition, both are the same! Go ahead and buy this junk, if u dont mind to upgrade this junk again in 6 months! Would u still buy a desktop or laptop with Windows ME?? or Would u still buy just a regular TV instead of a HDTV?? |
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Pony99CA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: Same OS? |
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| netboy wrote: | | WM2003 and WM2003 SE is the **SAME** OS! Just like a Honda Civic and a Honda Civic Special Edition, both are the same! |
Whether they're the "same" OS or not is open to interpretation, but I don't think they are. WM 2003 SE added major features (especially VGA and landscape support) not in WM 2003. That's not just window dressing.
| netboy wrote: | | Go ahead and buy this junk, if u dont mind to upgrade this junk again in 6 months! Would u still buy a desktop or laptop with Windows ME?? or Would u still buy just a regular TV instead of a HDTV?? |
I'm not going to buy this Pocket PC, but it's not because it's not running Windows Mobile 5.0. I wouldn't buy it because I use Verizon, not Cingular, and because I want my 240x320 screen.
As for your other silly questions, here are some answers:
- I'd buy a laptop with Windows ME for my father (who doesn't have any computer) if I could get it for $100. After I bought it, I'd upgrade it to Windows XP.
- I'd buy a TV without HDTV support for portable uses (in-car, camping, etc.)
You'll probably try to say that's not what you meant, but the thing to remember is that if the device meets a user's need at a reasonable price, why not buy it? Not everybody needs the latest thing. If they did, there'd be almost no market for used goods.
As for upgrades, why would I need to upgrade again in six months? I'm still using my iPAQ 5550 and I'm quite happy with it even though it (gasp!) only runs Windows Mobile 2003 (not even SE). It still does what I bought it to do. If there's something else I need it to do, I can get plenty of software for it. (Yes, I did want an upgrade to SE, and wrote a couple of editorials about why HP should have produced one, but I can live without landscape mode and single-column browser mode.)
Are there good reasons to buy a Windows Mobile 5.0 device? Absolutely. Would I prefer a Windows Mobile 5.0 device? Sure, but I'm a Pocket PC power user. Most people won't even know the difference. (And, if you think WM 2003 and WM 2003 SE are the same, you might be one of those people.)
Steve
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